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> Yes, and he has a majority in Parliament...that is why he is the PM. He doesn't hold a majority. > And the big plan that the opposition has is: to go to the

> Yes, and he has a majority in Parliament...that is why he is the PM. He doesn't hold a majority. > And the big plan that the opposition has is: to go to the EU, negotiate the same exact deal that has been voted down 4 times, and then whip their MPs to vote it down again. No it isn't. The plan of the opposition is to get an extension, and hold a general election as a proxy for what should happen: Tory party for no deal fuck you up the arse brexit, Lib Dems for revoke it and put out the fire, Labour for a 2nd referendum with clear options that involves significantly less self-mutilation than an empty "leave" deal.

hogFeast 7y ago
He does. He has the DUP. And, I would presume, you don't believe that all the Independents are going to vote against the govt every time...Nicholas Soames has not turned into a Corbynite afaik. And you don't appear to have thought out what the practical impact is. They will still have to negotiate a deal and it is not going to be any different to the deal that May got because they are taking exactly the same approach. Stick head in sand, delay, hope something changes. Tory party policy is deal. They have never suggested anything otherwise. What people are confusing is the strategy and the deal. The strategy is to, attempt to, resolve the constant crisis and delay. Part of this involves accepting that the EU has red lines that they won't shift on.
- iikoolpp 7y ago
  Tory + DUP does not make a majority - it is still far off. And yes, I believe the independents will vote against the government every time until the extension is got and then they will VONC/FTPA into an election.
- pjc50 7y ago
  > Part of this involves accepting that the EU has red lines that they won't shift on. This is true. But accepting that means throwing all the promises of the referendum campaign out of the window and accepting that leaving the customs union means significant damage to the economy and that the EU will not allow them to leave free movement while remaining in the customs union.
- Daave87 7y ago
  I'm sorry but he doesn't have a majority even with the DUP. It is an easily provable fact.
  - ceejayoz 7y ago
    I think the argument being made is that he still has a de facto majority, as most of the folks kicked out of the party are still likely to vote ideologically similar to how they'd previously voted. Like how Angus King (I-VT) can be relied upon to vote with the Democrats in the US Senate.
- cannabis_sam 7y ago
  The strategy was to play chicken with the EU, but luckily the other two branches of government realized that risking the UK economy on a hilariously obvious bet was tremendously stupid and shut it down. The people you are defending are traitors.

hogFeast 7y ago

He does. He has the DUP. And, I would presume, you don't believe that all the Independents are going to vote against the govt every time...Nicholas Soames has not turned into a Corbynite afaik. And you don't appear to have thought out what the practical impact is. They will still have to negotiate a deal and it is not going to be any different to the deal that May got because they are taking exactly the same approach. Stick head in sand, delay, hope something changes. Tory party policy is deal. They have never suggested anything otherwise. What people are confusing is the strategy and the deal. The strategy is to, attempt to, resolve the constant crisis and delay. Part of this involves accepting that the EU has red lines that they won't shift on.

iikoolpp 7y ago
Tory + DUP does not make a majority - it is still far off. And yes, I believe the independents will vote against the government every time until the extension is got and then they will VONC/FTPA into an election.
pjc50 7y ago
> Part of this involves accepting that the EU has red lines that they won't shift on. This is true. But accepting that means throwing all the promises of the referendum campaign out of the window and accepting that leaving the customs union means significant damage to the economy and that the EU will not allow them to leave free movement while remaining in the customs union.
Daave87 7y ago
I'm sorry but he doesn't have a majority even with the DUP. It is an easily provable fact.
- ceejayoz 7y ago
  I think the argument being made is that he still has a de facto majority, as most of the folks kicked out of the party are still likely to vote ideologically similar to how they'd previously voted. Like how Angus King (I-VT) can be relied upon to vote with the Democrats in the US Senate.
cannabis_sam 7y ago
The strategy was to play chicken with the EU, but luckily the other two branches of government realized that risking the UK economy on a hilariously obvious bet was tremendously stupid and shut it down. The people you are defending are traitors.