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Stupid statement. Nature doesn't care about country borders. Per capita emissions from India are extremely low compared to countries like the US. The same site

Stupid statement. Nature doesn't care about country borders. Per capita emissions from India are extremely low compared to countries like the US. The same site says that the US has "critically insufficient" commitments towards climate change. https://climateactiontracker.org/countries/usa/ https://climateactiontracker.org/countries/usa/ Maybe look at your own country before blaming others. You have more work to do towards climate change than the Indians.

wtdata 7y ago
> Nature doesn't care about country borders. You are right, what nature actually cares greatly, is about exponential population growth with no regard for future sustainability. Maybe we should look at India's over-population before demanding other countries to sacrifice for India's (and many countries in South East Asia) shortsightedness.
- familysized 7y ago
  > You are right, what nature actually cares greatly, is about exponential population growth with no regard for future sustainability. Perfect, I was waiting for you to say this. Now I have the chance to educate you (which should have been done by your "superior western education" but anyway). Read these articles and you will find that exponential growth is a myth. We are already close to replacement levels. The population is high in India and China only because of historic reasons - they are one of the most fertile lands on the planet. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Total_fertility_rate https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Total_fertility_rate https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_states_and_union_territories_of_India_by_fertility_rate https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_states_and_union_terri... Then watch this video to understand the real trends in population growth. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ezVk1ahRF78 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ezVk1ahRF78 Great! You finally rid yourself of these myths.
  - wtdata 7y ago
    > We are already close to replacement levels We are at those levels for almost 50 years now in "the west". Guess you are conveniently disregarding the mess you created over this last half century(and long before when the growth in India was 6 children per couple while in the USA it was 3). Here is a novel idea for you: you use the resources available by your territory as you see fit as long as you don't destroy the rest of the planet for us. If you choose to do it with double your population or half your population, is solely your sovereign choice and we have nothing to say about it. The same way you shouldn't have anything to say about how we use our resources with our - in check - population where people - for a very long time now - mostly think twice about if they can actually support a child with the resources available (natural or economic) before having it.
    - familysized 7y ago
      > We are at those levels for almost 50 years now in "the west". Even with 1/4th of the population of India, and having access to latest technology, the US has emitted obscene levels of CO2 in the last 50 years [0] and has not shown much signs of improvement. And you are blaming a 70-year old country that was in post-colonial shambles 50 years ago. You should be ashamed of yourself. > don't destroy the rest of the planet for us. Peak arrogance. Isn't it you who is destroying the planet with your luxury lifestyle? Take a look at [0]. You expect poor people that barely have enough food on their plate to reduce their living standards? That's never going to happen - it is you who needs to do that. The people in India will continue to work towards improving their living standards, as they deserve to. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_carbon_dioxide_emissions https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_carbon_di...
      - wtdata 7y ago
        > Good luck stopping us. It's so sad that you don't even realize that: 1. You are doming us all, you included. 2. India will actually be one of the first countries to deeply suffer from an increase in temperature. > Guess why that happened? Because of illiteracy due to poverty - because of your colonising ancestors. Mugal empire reaps the territory for over 400 years, nobody bats an eye. British are there for 90 years... suddenly everything is their fault, even if India continues with their totally backward ways 70 years after the British left them to rule themselves as they see fit. P.S.: I don't know why you continue to wave the anti USA flag. I have nothing to do with the USA (or UK for that matter). So sad.
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dang 7y ago
Nationalistic flamewar is not welcome on HN, and you crossed into it egregiously in this thread. That is not allowed on HN, regardless of how badly someone else is behaving. Moreover, your account has been using HN primarily for this purpose; we ban accounts that do that, because it is destructive of the intellectual curiosity HN exists for. I've banned your account for this reason, but if you'd like to review https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and email hn@ycombinator.com with reason to believe that you'll follow the rules in the future, we'll be happy to unban you.

wtdata 7y ago

> Nature doesn't care about country borders. You are right, what nature actually cares greatly, is about exponential population growth with no regard for future sustainability. Maybe we should look at India's over-population before demanding other countries to sacrifice for India's (and many countries in South East Asia) shortsightedness.

familysized 7y ago
> You are right, what nature actually cares greatly, is about exponential population growth with no regard for future sustainability. Perfect, I was waiting for you to say this. Now I have the chance to educate you (which should have been done by your "superior western education" but anyway). Read these articles and you will find that exponential growth is a myth. We are already close to replacement levels. The population is high in India and China only because of historic reasons - they are one of the most fertile lands on the planet. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Total_fertility_rate https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Total_fertility_rate https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_states_and_union_territories_of_India_by_fertility_rate https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_states_and_union_terri... Then watch this video to understand the real trends in population growth. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ezVk1ahRF78 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ezVk1ahRF78 Great! You finally rid yourself of these myths.
- wtdata 7y ago
  > We are already close to replacement levels We are at those levels for almost 50 years now in "the west". Guess you are conveniently disregarding the mess you created over this last half century(and long before when the growth in India was 6 children per couple while in the USA it was 3). Here is a novel idea for you: you use the resources available by your territory as you see fit as long as you don't destroy the rest of the planet for us. If you choose to do it with double your population or half your population, is solely your sovereign choice and we have nothing to say about it. The same way you shouldn't have anything to say about how we use our resources with our - in check - population where people - for a very long time now - mostly think twice about if they can actually support a child with the resources available (natural or economic) before having it.
  - familysized 7y ago
    > We are at those levels for almost 50 years now in "the west". Even with 1/4th of the population of India, and having access to latest technology, the US has emitted obscene levels of CO2 in the last 50 years [0] and has not shown much signs of improvement. And you are blaming a 70-year old country that was in post-colonial shambles 50 years ago. You should be ashamed of yourself. > don't destroy the rest of the planet for us. Peak arrogance. Isn't it you who is destroying the planet with your luxury lifestyle? Take a look at [0]. You expect poor people that barely have enough food on their plate to reduce their living standards? That's never going to happen - it is you who needs to do that. The people in India will continue to work towards improving their living standards, as they deserve to. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_carbon_dioxide_emissions https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_carbon_di...
    - wtdata 7y ago
      > Good luck stopping us. It's so sad that you don't even realize that: 1. You are doming us all, you included. 2. India will actually be one of the first countries to deeply suffer from an increase in temperature. > Guess why that happened? Because of illiteracy due to poverty - because of your colonising ancestors. Mugal empire reaps the territory for over 400 years, nobody bats an eye. British are there for 90 years... suddenly everything is their fault, even if India continues with their totally backward ways 70 years after the British left them to rule themselves as they see fit. P.S.: I don't know why you continue to wave the anti USA flag. I have nothing to do with the USA (or UK for that matter). So sad.
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dang 7y ago

Nationalistic flamewar is not welcome on HN, and you crossed into it egregiously in this thread. That is not allowed on HN, regardless of how badly someone else is behaving. Moreover, your account has been using HN primarily for this purpose; we ban accounts that do that, because it is destructive of the intellectual curiosity HN exists for. I've banned your account for this reason, but if you'd like to review https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and email hn@ycombinator.com with reason to believe that you'll follow the rules in the future, we'll be happy to unban you.