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I'll answer that. Exactly once more. If people have not changed their mind the result will be the same. If they have changed their mind they will have done it

I'll answer that. Exactly once more. If people have not changed their mind the result will be the same. If they have changed their mind they will have done it with the enormous, painful benefit of the past few years of hindsight. In either case the result will be clearer than what we have now. If the UK then votes to leave, I'll go with that, regretfully but I will.

nailer 7y ago
That sets a terrible precedent: lose a vote, use every resource you can to thwart implementing the outcome, get a second vote.
- tempguy9999 7y ago
  Then let's ignore the fact that the UK is tearing itself apart over this and carry on, regardless of the possibility that people may have changed their mind and that brexit is looking more damaging than ever, and that BoJo's career has been built on opportunism (before the referendum was he for or against brexit?) and lies (£350 million?) Yes, push on, let's. Let's not compromise, rethink, allow a possibly bad decision to be reconsidered. Push on, forward, forward! Since neither side wish to compromise, the above was my suggestion of a way forwards, where I would support brexit if I lost a 2nd ref. What's yours? (Oh, one more thing - the world's ecosystem has possibly started to collapse, which may kill millions and cause wars killing more, perhaps many more. But, BREXIT!!!!)
  - nailer 7y ago
    If you think the Office of National Statistics lie, then I suggest you take it up with them. The nation isn't tearing itself apart. A bunch of us who lost the vote have decided to attempt to thwart the result. May was a remainer and a weak negotiator, other remainers are weakening the UKs negotiating position by insisting we can't walk away from a bad deal. We lost. It's over. The vote was to leave. Let's leave. And yes then let's fix the environment, knife crime and everything else too.
    - tempguy9999 7y ago
      You appear to have confused BoJo with the ONS. I did not. > The nation isn't tearing itself apart We'll have to disagree there. Granted it's not actual civil war but it's politically stressed badly. > We lost. It's over. The vote was to leave. Let's leave. What is so terrifying about having a 2nd (and final) vote to check we haven't changed our minds? Specifically, what is wrong with it? Are people not allowed to change view in the light of new information?
      - nailer 7y ago
        > > > and lies (£350 million?) ... > You appear to have confused BoJo with the ONS. I did not. Are you sure? BoJo quoted the ONS correctly the UK sends the EU 350M. That the EU returns 150 of it doesn't change that the EU is determining how the UK spend the UK's money and then takes half of it for the EU. > What is so terrifying about having a 2nd (and final) vote to check we haven't changed our minds? > Specifically, what is wrong with it? > Are people not allowed to change view in the light of new information? See https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21060090 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21060090
        tempguy9999 7y ago
        > BoJo quoted the ONS correctly the UK sends the EU 350M. You seem shaky on a number of things - are you a UK resident? OK, to answer your point https://metro.co.uk/2017/04/27/heres-how-spectacularly-wrong-the-brexit-bus-350million-lie-was-6600987/ https://metro.co.uk/2017/04/27/heres-how-spectacularly-wrong... "Just in case you hadn’t already cottoned on, the number plastered on the side of the Brexit bus was a big fat lie. [...] According to the new official estimates, the UK actually makes a net contribution to the EU of around £199 million a week." So BloJo lied. Do you find it acceptable for a politician to lie to you? > That the EU returns 150 of it doesn't change that the EU is determining how the UK spend the UK's money and then takes half of it for the EU. True but irrelevant. Boris lied. That was my point. The ONS doesn't come into it. Me: >> Are people not allowed to change view in the light of new information? You: > See https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21060090 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21060090 Just points me back to your earlier post which says "That sets a terrible precedent: lose a vote, use every resource you can to thwart implementing the outcome, get a second vote". That doesn't answer the question so let me try again, same question, please answer Yes or No.

nailer 7y ago

That sets a terrible precedent: lose a vote, use every resource you can to thwart implementing the outcome, get a second vote.

tempguy9999 7y ago
Then let's ignore the fact that the UK is tearing itself apart over this and carry on, regardless of the possibility that people may have changed their mind and that brexit is looking more damaging than ever, and that BoJo's career has been built on opportunism (before the referendum was he for or against brexit?) and lies (£350 million?) Yes, push on, let's. Let's not compromise, rethink, allow a possibly bad decision to be reconsidered. Push on, forward, forward! Since neither side wish to compromise, the above was my suggestion of a way forwards, where I would support brexit if I lost a 2nd ref. What's yours? (Oh, one more thing - the world's ecosystem has possibly started to collapse, which may kill millions and cause wars killing more, perhaps many more. But, BREXIT!!!!)
- nailer 7y ago
  If you think the Office of National Statistics lie, then I suggest you take it up with them. The nation isn't tearing itself apart. A bunch of us who lost the vote have decided to attempt to thwart the result. May was a remainer and a weak negotiator, other remainers are weakening the UKs negotiating position by insisting we can't walk away from a bad deal. We lost. It's over. The vote was to leave. Let's leave. And yes then let's fix the environment, knife crime and everything else too.
  - tempguy9999 7y ago
    You appear to have confused BoJo with the ONS. I did not. > The nation isn't tearing itself apart We'll have to disagree there. Granted it's not actual civil war but it's politically stressed badly. > We lost. It's over. The vote was to leave. Let's leave. What is so terrifying about having a 2nd (and final) vote to check we haven't changed our minds? Specifically, what is wrong with it? Are people not allowed to change view in the light of new information?
    - nailer 7y ago
      > > > and lies (£350 million?) ... > You appear to have confused BoJo with the ONS. I did not. Are you sure? BoJo quoted the ONS correctly the UK sends the EU 350M. That the EU returns 150 of it doesn't change that the EU is determining how the UK spend the UK's money and then takes half of it for the EU. > What is so terrifying about having a 2nd (and final) vote to check we haven't changed our minds? > Specifically, what is wrong with it? > Are people not allowed to change view in the light of new information? See https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21060090 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21060090
      - tempguy9999 7y ago
        > BoJo quoted the ONS correctly the UK sends the EU 350M. You seem shaky on a number of things - are you a UK resident? OK, to answer your point https://metro.co.uk/2017/04/27/heres-how-spectacularly-wrong-the-brexit-bus-350million-lie-was-6600987/ https://metro.co.uk/2017/04/27/heres-how-spectacularly-wrong... "Just in case you hadn’t already cottoned on, the number plastered on the side of the Brexit bus was a big fat lie. [...] According to the new official estimates, the UK actually makes a net contribution to the EU of around £199 million a week." So BloJo lied. Do you find it acceptable for a politician to lie to you? > That the EU returns 150 of it doesn't change that the EU is determining how the UK spend the UK's money and then takes half of it for the EU. True but irrelevant. Boris lied. That was my point. The ONS doesn't come into it. Me: >> Are people not allowed to change view in the light of new information? You: > See https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21060090 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21060090 Just points me back to your earlier post which says "That sets a terrible precedent: lose a vote, use every resource you can to thwart implementing the outcome, get a second vote". That doesn't answer the question so let me try again, same question, please answer Yes or No.