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I'm reminded of a psychologist's description of sociopaths, that they "leave a trail of destruction in life". BJ seems to have the hallmarks of sociopathy, hav

I'm reminded of a psychologist's description of sociopaths, that they "leave a trail of destruction in life". BJ seems to have the hallmarks of sociopathy, having known a few myself, and he's made a total mess here. And elsewhere - talk to anyone who's worked in TFL and they all (that I've met) will tell you about stupid plans that have come across their desk, done without any traffic analysis but pushed through nonetheless. This all might force a written constitution, which is long overdue in the UK. Something good may come of this at least.

nailer 7y ago
Either that or the Prime Minister could simply be trying to implement the result of the referendum, as voters were told the government would.
- mseidl 7y ago
  There needs to be another vote.
  - nailer 7y ago
    Until people vote correctly?
- EliRivers 7y ago
  Seems unlikely. His best chance of doing that - of leaving the EU - is to get a majority of parliament to vote for whatever deal he presents. Proroguing parliament would appear to antagonise parliament and make that less likely.
  - tomp 7y ago
    He needs a new deal first (this parliament has rejected existing deal, like, 3 times already). His main negotiation tactics (and what May failed to do and was repeatedly criticised for) is to present a viable alternative, a credible No-Deal Brexit option. That can serve as a BATNA in any future negotiations with the EU. Proroguing the parliament might have to do with preventing them to stop BATNA, but it's unlikely to make them not vote for a good new deal.
    - pjc50 7y ago
      The big problem here is that no-deal Brexit is much worse than the status quo. We're basically threatening to inflict job losses on ourselves in the hopes that the job losses on the other side of the channel will drive negotiations.
      - nailer 7y ago
        All negotiations must include the ability to walk away. If it's not on the table and we're not prepared to walk then the EU can (and has) offered us the worst deal. The idea that we must accept any deal is why the general public shouldn't be involved in the negotiations.
        pjc50 7y ago
        > why the general public shouldn't be involved in the negotiations. Why do you hate democracy? /sarcasm
        nailer 7y ago
        Because Jean Claude Juncker isn't sending the general public to negotiate the EU side of the bilateral trade deal and neither should we.
- tempguy9999 7y ago
  By illegal means is not ok.
- rini17 7y ago
  Voters were deciding based on abject lies in the referendum campaign. Then the government carried on lying during whole process. This makes whole referendum mandate very weak. It's probably best to redo whole thing.
  - tomp 7y ago
    > It's probably best to redo whole thing. How many times?
    - tempguy9999 7y ago
      I'll answer that. Exactly once more. If people have not changed their mind the result will be the same. If they have changed their mind they will have done it with the enormous, painful benefit of the past few years of hindsight. In either case the result will be clearer than what we have now. If the UK then votes to leave, I'll go with that, regretfully but I will.
      - nailer 7y ago
        That sets a terrible precedent: lose a vote, use every resource you can to thwart implementing the outcome, get a second vote.
        tempguy9999 7y ago
        Then let's ignore the fact that the UK is tearing itself apart over this and carry on, regardless of the possibility that people may have changed their mind and that brexit is looking more damaging than ever, and that BoJo's career has been built on opportunism (before the referendum was he for or against brexit?) and lies (£350 million?) Yes, push on, let's. Let's not compromise, rethink, allow a possibly bad decision to be reconsidered. Push on, forward, forward! Since neither side wish to compromise, the above was my suggestion of a way forwards, where I would support brexit if I lost a 2nd ref. What's yours? (Oh, one more thing - the world's ecosystem has possibly started to collapse, which may kill millions and cause wars killing more, perhaps many more. But, BREXIT!!!!)
- throwaway-hn123 7y ago
  Hey Brexit boy, can you bottle up your frustrated tears and send them my way? I'm sure they're copious and tasty!
RonaldSchleifer 7y ago
You say that while psychopaths are pushing the UK beyond the brink of legitimacy through the invalidation of Democratic self-governance in the hopes that people don’t realize the fraud and snap.… and you have the audacity to claim others are sociopaths (a term that has been retired btw, because it’s just a focus of psychopathy) The only psychopaths, and even beyond that, they are the dark triad of personality disorders (narcissistic, psychopathic, and Machiavellian) are the “remainer” fools, who are cutting off their nose to spite their face. What credibility does any vote of democratic principle have anymore when the oppressive ruling class simply negates the will of the people through trickery and manipulation of process. There is no legitimacy left after that; zero, and you’re only left with might makes right, which I can assure everyone you don’t want to happen. Spoiled brats can’t get what they want and therefore are going to burn down the house, pretty much sums up Brexit remainders.
- tempguy9999 7y ago
  > and you have the audacity to claim others are sociopaths Not necessarily in the government, no. I was only referring to BJ that way. > the “remainer” fools That cuts of any discussion with those people. Our concerns aren't foolish just because they aren't yours.
johnchristopher 7y ago
What does TFL stand for ?
- growse 7y ago
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transport_for_London https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transport_for_London
- jacquesm 7y ago
  https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-london-36204011 https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-london-36204011
- pjc50 7y ago
  Transport for London. They run (among other things) the Tube and the London buses. A "statutory corporation" run by the government at arm's length.
dang 7y ago
Please don't take HN threads into off-topic personal attack and internet psychiatric diagnosis. Even in a thread as wretched as this one, a tangent like this stands out as making things worse. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

nailer 7y ago

Either that or the Prime Minister could simply be trying to implement the result of the referendum, as voters were told the government would.

mseidl 7y ago
There needs to be another vote.
- nailer 7y ago
  Until people vote correctly?
EliRivers 7y ago
Seems unlikely. His best chance of doing that - of leaving the EU - is to get a majority of parliament to vote for whatever deal he presents. Proroguing parliament would appear to antagonise parliament and make that less likely.
- tomp 7y ago
  He needs a new deal first (this parliament has rejected existing deal, like, 3 times already). His main negotiation tactics (and what May failed to do and was repeatedly criticised for) is to present a viable alternative, a credible No-Deal Brexit option. That can serve as a BATNA in any future negotiations with the EU. Proroguing the parliament might have to do with preventing them to stop BATNA, but it's unlikely to make them not vote for a good new deal.
  - pjc50 7y ago
    The big problem here is that no-deal Brexit is much worse than the status quo. We're basically threatening to inflict job losses on ourselves in the hopes that the job losses on the other side of the channel will drive negotiations.
    - nailer 7y ago
      All negotiations must include the ability to walk away. If it's not on the table and we're not prepared to walk then the EU can (and has) offered us the worst deal. The idea that we must accept any deal is why the general public shouldn't be involved in the negotiations.
      - pjc50 7y ago
        > why the general public shouldn't be involved in the negotiations. Why do you hate democracy? /sarcasm
        nailer 7y ago
        Because Jean Claude Juncker isn't sending the general public to negotiate the EU side of the bilateral trade deal and neither should we.
tempguy9999 7y ago
By illegal means is not ok.
rini17 7y ago
Voters were deciding based on abject lies in the referendum campaign. Then the government carried on lying during whole process. This makes whole referendum mandate very weak. It's probably best to redo whole thing.
- tomp 7y ago
  > It's probably best to redo whole thing. How many times?
  - tempguy9999 7y ago
    I'll answer that. Exactly once more. If people have not changed their mind the result will be the same. If they have changed their mind they will have done it with the enormous, painful benefit of the past few years of hindsight. In either case the result will be clearer than what we have now. If the UK then votes to leave, I'll go with that, regretfully but I will.
    - nailer 7y ago
      That sets a terrible precedent: lose a vote, use every resource you can to thwart implementing the outcome, get a second vote.
      - tempguy9999 7y ago
        Then let's ignore the fact that the UK is tearing itself apart over this and carry on, regardless of the possibility that people may have changed their mind and that brexit is looking more damaging than ever, and that BoJo's career has been built on opportunism (before the referendum was he for or against brexit?) and lies (£350 million?) Yes, push on, let's. Let's not compromise, rethink, allow a possibly bad decision to be reconsidered. Push on, forward, forward! Since neither side wish to compromise, the above was my suggestion of a way forwards, where I would support brexit if I lost a 2nd ref. What's yours? (Oh, one more thing - the world's ecosystem has possibly started to collapse, which may kill millions and cause wars killing more, perhaps many more. But, BREXIT!!!!)
throwaway-hn123 7y ago
Hey Brexit boy, can you bottle up your frustrated tears and send them my way? I'm sure they're copious and tasty!

RonaldSchleifer 7y ago

You say that while psychopaths are pushing the UK beyond the brink of legitimacy through the invalidation of Democratic self-governance in the hopes that people don’t realize the fraud and snap.… and you have the audacity to claim others are sociopaths (a term that has been retired btw, because it’s just a focus of psychopathy) The only psychopaths, and even beyond that, they are the dark triad of personality disorders (narcissistic, psychopathic, and Machiavellian) are the “remainer” fools, who are cutting off their nose to spite their face. What credibility does any vote of democratic principle have anymore when the oppressive ruling class simply negates the will of the people through trickery and manipulation of process. There is no legitimacy left after that; zero, and you’re only left with might makes right, which I can assure everyone you don’t want to happen. Spoiled brats can’t get what they want and therefore are going to burn down the house, pretty much sums up Brexit remainders.

tempguy9999 7y ago
> and you have the audacity to claim others are sociopaths Not necessarily in the government, no. I was only referring to BJ that way. > the “remainer” fools That cuts of any discussion with those people. Our concerns aren't foolish just because they aren't yours.

johnchristopher 7y ago

What does TFL stand for ?

growse 7y ago
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transport_for_London https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transport_for_London
jacquesm 7y ago
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-london-36204011 https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-london-36204011
pjc50 7y ago
Transport for London. They run (among other things) the Tube and the London buses. A "statutory corporation" run by the government at arm's length.

dang 7y ago

Please don't take HN threads into off-topic personal attack and internet psychiatric diagnosis. Even in a thread as wretched as this one, a tangent like this stands out as making things worse. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html