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Why are you so sure that such data exists if you have never seen it? I'm already slightly inclined to suspend my disbelief, because I know a little bit about d

Why are you so sure that such data exists if you have never seen it? I'm already slightly inclined to suspend my disbelief, because I know a little bit about developmental psychology that sort of corroborates what you're claiming about the ageism thing, however, if you want to start discriminating based on race, you have to be ready to bear a massive burden of proof when you make racist claims. Would you be so blindly accepting if I threatened your life, liberty or property for no reason other than the color of your skin? Wouldn't you want conclusive evidence, quality controlled and beyond a reasonable doubt?

gambiting 7y ago
>>Why are you so sure that such data exists if you have never seen it? Because when you ring up an insurance company and ask why (as a 20-year old) your insurance is higher than that of a 25 year old(with also zero driving experience) you will be told that it's because of your age. Unless they are lying to you of course, which is hard to prove or disprove. >> however, if you want to start discriminating based on race Wait, what? That took a weird turn?
- jacobwilliamroy 7y ago
  >that took a weird turn Well, you turned first. Here we are all talking about racism, and then you claim age inversely affects driver risk. In context, I thought you were somehow trying to convince me that circular reasoning and appeals to authority ought to dispel any doubts I have about the validity of racism, but it sounds like you were trying to say something else, and I could be doing a better job of understanding what you are trying to say. >unless they are lying They may just be ignorant. Maybe someone else lied to them and they are just parroting the lie. Remember, the people who price insurance exist in a world where polygraphs are admissible evidence in a U.S. court of law; misconceptions are everywhere and I think we must be cautious, lest our generalizations be hasty.
tpxl 7y ago
The data the parent is claiming to exist is discrimination based on age, which is indeed rather simple to confirm. >however, if you want to start discriminating based on race, you have to be ready to bear a massive burden of proof when you make racist claims. Would you be so blindly accepting if I threatened your life, liberty or property for no reason other than the color of your skin? Wouldn't you want conclusive evidence, quality controlled and beyond a reasonable doubt? Would you not say the same about age?
- jacobwilliamroy 7y ago
  Yes, I would, but I think we're veering too far off the original topic of race.

gambiting 7y ago

>>Why are you so sure that such data exists if you have never seen it? Because when you ring up an insurance company and ask why (as a 20-year old) your insurance is higher than that of a 25 year old(with also zero driving experience) you will be told that it's because of your age. Unless they are lying to you of course, which is hard to prove or disprove. >> however, if you want to start discriminating based on race Wait, what? That took a weird turn?

jacobwilliamroy 7y ago
>that took a weird turn Well, you turned first. Here we are all talking about racism, and then you claim age inversely affects driver risk. In context, I thought you were somehow trying to convince me that circular reasoning and appeals to authority ought to dispel any doubts I have about the validity of racism, but it sounds like you were trying to say something else, and I could be doing a better job of understanding what you are trying to say. >unless they are lying They may just be ignorant. Maybe someone else lied to them and they are just parroting the lie. Remember, the people who price insurance exist in a world where polygraphs are admissible evidence in a U.S. court of law; misconceptions are everywhere and I think we must be cautious, lest our generalizations be hasty.

tpxl 7y ago

The data the parent is claiming to exist is discrimination based on age, which is indeed rather simple to confirm. >however, if you want to start discriminating based on race, you have to be ready to bear a massive burden of proof when you make racist claims. Would you be so blindly accepting if I threatened your life, liberty or property for no reason other than the color of your skin? Wouldn't you want conclusive evidence, quality controlled and beyond a reasonable doubt? Would you not say the same about age?

jacobwilliamroy 7y ago
Yes, I would, but I think we're veering too far off the original topic of race.