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I want to imagine the world with China as a democracy only to assure the world that xenophobia is the first thing that comes to mind when people take an anti-Ch
by spectramax 7y ago
I want to imagine the world with China as a democracy only to assure the world that xenophobia is the first thing that comes to mind when people take an anti-China stance and as a reminder that Chinese culture, their arts, the land and the people are wonderful. I am against this dystopian overwhelmingly powerful and suppressive government.
I imagine if 1989 was a turning moment for Democracy in China.
- missosoup 7y agoThe wonderful culture and arts you're thinking about is historical. It doesn't really exist in China now. It was mostly wiped out during The Great Leap Forward, along with 30 million people give or take. Fun fact: advanced Traditional Chinese Medicine practitioners travel from China to Japan to learn. Japan preserved records of the TCM knowledge that China destroyed during the great leap.
- WanderPanda 7y agoAs well as many of their people...
- powerapple 7y agoNot they preserve Chinese artifacts. China has been invaded so many times, the collapse of governments had led foreigners to scoop artifacts from China at no cost. Look at British Museum, Lourve. It happened to all countries have suffered from war. Japanese took most books, paintings, because those are not seen as valuable for westerners. British took most vase, china.
- friendlybus 7y agoGLF was terrible, but the west shares a shame in throwing away our intellectual and cultural pursuits. There's an argument that a very long time ago, the islamic intellectual tradition preserved enlightenment values whilst we were off doing other things. I don't know the gritty details of the argument, so I'd be the first to say I'm wrong.
- philipov 7y agoI think you mean they preserved Greek and Roman knowledge, which was the basis of the Renaissance. The Enlightenment was a few hundred years later, and consisted of new ideas.
- barry-cotter 7y agoThey didn’t just preserve Greek and Roman knowledge. Averroes, Avicenna, the Mutazilites, al-Razi, Maimonides, al-Farabi and others made enormous and original contributions to philosophy, medicine, chemistry and other fields. The Renaissance and the Enlightenment would have been unrecognizably different without the contributions of the thinkers of the Islamic world.
- missosoup 7y agoCan you suggest some reading materials to those who want to know more about this?
- barry-cotter 7y agoMy knowledge of this period is very shallow and mostly comes from the History of Phiosophy Without Any Gaps podcast. Lost Enlightenment is probably the best place to start. https://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/B00F8MIJMQ/geneexpressio-20 https://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/B00F8MIJMQ/geneexpre...
- barry-cotter 7y agoThe Enlightenment was something new under the sun. The Islamic Golden Age was intellectually impressive but nothing in it presages the ideas of individualism and freedom that are at the heart of the Enlightenment project.
- hoseja 7y agoThe heart of the Enlightenment project is the realization that educated, non-poor citizens are more effective at waging war with other countries.
- UIZealot 7y agoFun fact: Traditional Chinese Medicine is mostly a bunch of useless horseshit. Too bad the great leap didn't totally destroy it.
- missosoup 7y agoInformation should never be destroyed. There is a treasure trove of obsolete but preserved cultural knowledge out there, and China is a bit of a dark spot because of the great leap. Preserving historical knowledge is not the same as perpetuating it or believing it's effective. Keeping a record of what societies did what is extremely important, regardless of whether it worked. If nothing else, so that a particular failed avenue of research isn't pursued again.