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If I had a de-platformed individual every time they made a comment someone took offense to, I'd end up with an animal farm. Definitely, his comments should not

If I had a de-platformed individual every time they made a comment someone took offense to, I'd end up with an animal farm. Definitely, his comments should not be overlooked, but intellectually benching someone because of what they've said is not how you handle these types of situations. Furthermore, his leadership qualities depend only on his ability to lead a group towards a goal, which he was doing swell at.

schwartzworld 7y ago
Or maybe people would just be more cautious about saying horrible things on the record.
- michannne 7y ago
  "Horrible" is completely subjective.
  - egdod 7y ago
    "Horrible" is sometimes subjective. There are things that pretty much every reasonable person would agree are horrible.
    - ben509 7y ago
      > pretty much every reasonable person Reasonable is subjective.
      - egdod 7y ago
        No, it isn’t. The “reasonable person” standard in lots of laws exists exactly because we can agree on it as an objective standard.
        ben509 7y ago
        We don't agree what it actually is, though. In practice, the "reasonable person" standard is achieved by asking a jury. In a jury, the members apply their life experiences to the case they're deciding and then persuade each other to reach a unanimous conclusion. That's an entirely subjective process, and if you repeat it with another jury you can get the polar opposite answer.
        egdod 7y ago
        Juries might disagree about what a reasonable person would do in a given situation. But that was just a digression. I think that almost all juries could agree on some subset of behaviors being labeled as “horrible.”
crispyambulance 7y ago
He has many zingers on record. This last one finally caught up with him. I almost feel sorry for him-- like maybe if he had someone who could just tell him: "Dude, Slow your roll!" he would not have gotten into this situation. On the other hand, he's an adult, old and wise enough to know better, especially as a spokesperson and thought-leader. He did it to himself.
akdas 7y ago
> his leadership qualities depend only on his ability to lead a group towards a goal, which he was doing swell at It sounds like his behavior was alienating people who would have been willing to work toward that shared goal, but were instead pushed away. So based on what I'm reading, he was a poor leader in this regard.
- concordDance 7y ago
  Would the people who were pushed away actually have contributed much? The few I've seen mentioned seemed a bit fragile and easily upset to be suitable for doing reasoned public advocacy.

schwartzworld 7y ago

Or maybe people would just be more cautious about saying horrible things on the record.

michannne 7y ago
"Horrible" is completely subjective.
- egdod 7y ago
  "Horrible" is sometimes subjective. There are things that pretty much every reasonable person would agree are horrible.
  - ben509 7y ago
    > pretty much every reasonable person Reasonable is subjective.
    - egdod 7y ago
      No, it isn’t. The “reasonable person” standard in lots of laws exists exactly because we can agree on it as an objective standard.
      - ben509 7y ago
        We don't agree what it actually is, though. In practice, the "reasonable person" standard is achieved by asking a jury. In a jury, the members apply their life experiences to the case they're deciding and then persuade each other to reach a unanimous conclusion. That's an entirely subjective process, and if you repeat it with another jury you can get the polar opposite answer.
        egdod 7y ago
        Juries might disagree about what a reasonable person would do in a given situation. But that was just a digression. I think that almost all juries could agree on some subset of behaviors being labeled as “horrible.”

crispyambulance 7y ago

He has many zingers on record. This last one finally caught up with him. I almost feel sorry for him-- like maybe if he had someone who could just tell him: "Dude, Slow your roll!" he would not have gotten into this situation. On the other hand, he's an adult, old and wise enough to know better, especially as a spokesperson and thought-leader. He did it to himself.

akdas 7y ago

> his leadership qualities depend only on his ability to lead a group towards a goal, which he was doing swell at It sounds like his behavior was alienating people who would have been willing to work toward that shared goal, but were instead pushed away. So based on what I'm reading, he was a poor leader in this regard.

concordDance 7y ago
Would the people who were pushed away actually have contributed much? The few I've seen mentioned seemed a bit fragile and easily upset to be suitable for doing reasoned public advocacy.