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A large number of people have left Google after their understanding of the larger context changed. When I was there in the late 2000's I recognized that their
by ChuckMcM 7y ago
A large number of people have left Google after their understanding of the larger context changed.
When I was there in the late 2000's I recognized that their internal and external narrative was very carefully constructed. For me, that is always a red flag as it suggests there is an alternative narrative that might not be quite so flattering, if not downright bad.
That isn't to say that they "lied" or they mislead, just that they consistently worked to emphasize information that fed the narrative they liked, and downplayed information that suggested other narratives might be more accurate.
I related some of this to a coworker at Google using an example that a friend of mine on the police force of Nashville gave me. He said, "I can tell you that this woman just picked up a gun and shot this guy in cold blood. Three people saw her, and she has admitted to doing it. She's a murderer right? That is a narrative. If I add in the fact that just prior to shooting the victim the woman had freed herself from a rope restraint system, and that the victim had kidnapped her and was holding her as a sex slave, now she is a hero right? The narrative changes. The fact that she killed him are the same, but the narrative is much different."
I was having this conversation with my friend in the context of how difficult policing could be. There are people who construct narratives around the facts they choose to present in order to construct an emotion in the listener.
Countering narratives require that more facts be made available. My Grandfather was a US Attorney and a big believer in honesty as the best policy, he would say "The truth of a matter doesn't change when you add additional facts." It took me a long time to appreciate the depth of that statement.
The issue of narratives is further compounded if one side of the situation is constrained in supplying additional facts, like the police are about on-going investigations and Google employees are by their non-disclosure agreements. It gives an advantage to the side not so constrained to construct their narrative the way they want to construct it without fear of contradiction.
I was told by a member of one of Google's many internal committees that I was considered something of a "trouble maker" for asking questions that "suggested the company was hiding something, even though I had no evidence to back up those suggestions." I appreciated that they were trying to help me be more successful at Google, but to be honest that was a reasonable characterization of my actions. Although the questions I asked tended to relate to a particular piece of data or fact that was missing and might change the current narrative.
My assumption going in was that if there was a data point missing from the discussion, and I could see how that data point would change the narrative, then the entity constructing the narrative was likely hiding something. I generally want to know that data point because I prefer to make my own judgement based on all of that facts that are knowable rather than accept someone else's judgement using only facts they provide.
Pro tip, this always bothers people who carefully construct narratives to serve their agenda :-) So don't do it unless you are okay with the person seeing you as a threat.
- hevi_jos 7y agoThe fact that the woman did something wrong does not change, but the law make distinctions and things like mitigating or even eliminating the punishment around some situations like you state. That is there are some new facts that could mitigate or even justify another fact or actions. For example, if you enter a private property in the US with a gun(in order to steal, or kidnap or kill) the property owner can kill you. Which is a bad thing, but is justified by the fact that someone entered your property armed without your permission. In some counties in Europe, if you use the force against someone that carries a weapon in your own property, and you kill this person, you go to jail!! And have to indemnify the robber!! Yes, you do something that is very bad, but you were forced to do it by someone who wanted to profit doing something bad to you. It would be worse doing nothing. The same happens in wars. Americans invaded Europe and killed (and raped) thousands of thousands of Europeans. That was terrible and wrong. But it was done because someone (Hitler) did it first to other countries in Europe, like Poland and France.(It would have been worse not doing something) No soldier went to jail for killing enemies(or raping their daughters and wifes). Another example is police men. They carry weapons(that kill) and they have to use them if necessary, even if it is wrong. The narrative that you imply is actually creating stories(and facts) that justify your behavior that are actually false. You know Hitler used german soldiers disguised as Polish in order to justify invading Poland? He used the fire in the Reichstag fire as Narrative for taking absolute power. That was stated already by Napoleon, who believed before invading a country you needed a pretext(A narrative) something he learnned from his favorite book, The Prince of Macciavelo. Today of course those narratives continue existing. Most Americans agreed on Invading Iraq because 9-11. The invasion was planned in words of the secretary of State Defense years before the 9-11 attack. The fact that the country is 2000 miles away from where the terrorist came from (an US allied country) and that they are populated mostly by another faction of Islam didn't matter the least. But narratives are not bad, if they are true. It is only when they are fabricated when they are terrible wrong.