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I work in government which is pretty modern but there are users who still use Ie 11. It looks like IE11 doesn't have full support for flex box or css garden..i

I work in government which is pretty modern but there are users who still use Ie 11. It looks like IE11 doesn't have full support for flex box or css garden..is that correct?

fourthark 7y ago
Flexbox: "Partial support is due to large number of bugs present" https://caniuse.com/#search=flexbox https://caniuse.com/#search=flexbox Grid: "Partial support in IE refers to supporting an older version of the specification" https://caniuse.com/#search=grid https://caniuse.com/#search=grid IIRC IE implemented Grid first but their spec had enough problems that the standard isn't much like it.
fma 7y ago
Im not a UI dev but for my basic stuff I stuck with bootstrap since it supports every browser for positioning.
- bobthepanda 7y ago
  bootstrap 5 is dropping IE support: https://github.com/twbs/bootstrap/pull/23586 https://github.com/twbs/bootstrap/pull/23586
andrei_says_ 7y ago
I use Suzy grids 2 for ie and everything above and it works great.
Vanderson 7y ago
Microsoft doesn't consider IE a browser anymore, they call it a "compatibility solution"[0][1]. If a site looks bad in IE, I think that is ok these days. (functional but ugly, is there an industry phrase to encapsulate this idea?) IE 11 was released 5 year ago... [0] https://www.zdnet.com/article/microsoft-security-chief-ie-is-not-a-browser-so-stop-using-it-as-your-default/ https://www.zdnet.com/article/microsoft-security-chief-ie-is... [1] https://techcommunity.microsoft.com/t5/Windows-IT-Pro-Blog/The-perils-of-using-Internet-Explorer-as-your-default-browser/ba-p/331732 https://techcommunity.microsoft.com/t5/Windows-IT-Pro-Blog/T...
- brailsafe 7y ago
  Graceful degradation.
  - Vanderson 7y ago
    Thank you. I guess I always considered that a phrase regarding features where a browser doesn't have a feature yet, but will in the future. But I guess it works well for the other direction as well. (ie, a browser that will never have any new features)
    - brailsafe 7y ago
      That's progressive enhancement. Progressive Enhancement: Starting from some baseline, ideally static content, and building in features that newer, usually visual browsers can support Graceful degradation: What happens if things don't work perfectly, or some browser doesn't support a feature, or network connectivity is shit so your js file doesn't load.
brailsafe 7y ago
https://caniuse.com/#feat=css-grid https://caniuse.com/#feat=css-grid https://caniuse.com/#feat=flexbox https://caniuse.com/#feat=flexbox It's iffy, but IE was the first to support any grid spec. I'd build a float based layout and progressively enhance newer layout methods

I work in government which is pretty modern but there are users who still use Ie 11. It looks like IE11 doesn't have full support for flex box or css garden..is that correct?

fourthark 7y ago

Flexbox: "Partial support is due to large number of bugs present" https://caniuse.com/#search=flexbox https://caniuse.com/#search=flexbox Grid: "Partial support in IE refers to supporting an older version of the specification" https://caniuse.com/#search=grid https://caniuse.com/#search=grid IIRC IE implemented Grid first but their spec had enough problems that the standard isn't much like it.

fma 7y ago

Im not a UI dev but for my basic stuff I stuck with bootstrap since it supports every browser for positioning.

bobthepanda 7y ago
bootstrap 5 is dropping IE support: https://github.com/twbs/bootstrap/pull/23586 https://github.com/twbs/bootstrap/pull/23586

andrei_says_ 7y ago

I use Suzy grids 2 for ie and everything above and it works great.

Vanderson 7y ago

Microsoft doesn't consider IE a browser anymore, they call it a "compatibility solution"[0][1]. If a site looks bad in IE, I think that is ok these days. (functional but ugly, is there an industry phrase to encapsulate this idea?) IE 11 was released 5 year ago... [0] https://www.zdnet.com/article/microsoft-security-chief-ie-is-not-a-browser-so-stop-using-it-as-your-default/ https://www.zdnet.com/article/microsoft-security-chief-ie-is... [1] https://techcommunity.microsoft.com/t5/Windows-IT-Pro-Blog/The-perils-of-using-Internet-Explorer-as-your-default-browser/ba-p/331732 https://techcommunity.microsoft.com/t5/Windows-IT-Pro-Blog/T...

brailsafe 7y ago
Graceful degradation.
- Vanderson 7y ago
  Thank you. I guess I always considered that a phrase regarding features where a browser doesn't have a feature yet, but will in the future. But I guess it works well for the other direction as well. (ie, a browser that will never have any new features)
  - brailsafe 7y ago
    That's progressive enhancement. Progressive Enhancement: Starting from some baseline, ideally static content, and building in features that newer, usually visual browsers can support Graceful degradation: What happens if things don't work perfectly, or some browser doesn't support a feature, or network connectivity is shit so your js file doesn't load.

brailsafe 7y ago

https://caniuse.com/#feat=css-grid https://caniuse.com/#feat=css-grid https://caniuse.com/#feat=flexbox https://caniuse.com/#feat=flexbox It's iffy, but IE was the first to support any grid spec. I'd build a float based layout and progressively enhance newer layout methods