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Are you saying Safari doesn't count as a "major browser"?

• andybak 16y ago
  Don't most statistics put it at about 5%? I don't know if it's "major" but it's probably worthy of consideration.
  • othermaciej 16y ago
    ~6% worldwide, ~8% Europe, ~13% US according to to http://www.netmarketshare.com/ http://www.netmarketshare.com/ I would canonically count IE, Firefox, Chrome, Safari and Opera as "major browsers".
• Kylekramer 16y ago
  Given that that it has 5-6% of market share, I think it is fair to leave it out of the major browsers. Not ignorable, but hardly major. It is iffy to even place Chrome as one, even though it seems like it will be in the future.
• drivebyacct2 16y ago
  Sorta (I didn't realize how much higher their share was than Opera's). If they choose not to implement a free, open source, easily available codec because they're Apple... then they can get lumped in with Internet Explorer and enjoy the fallback to Flash. I know Jobs is a big fan.
  • neild 16y ago
    Flash does not play WebM. How would "the fallback to Flash" work in this case?
    • sosuke 16y ago
      Not currently but WebM (VP8) will be supported in Flash (http://blogs.adobe.com/flashplatform/2010/05/adobe_support_for_vp8.html http://blogs.adobe.com/flashplatform/2010/05/adobe_support_f...)
• kenjackson 16y ago
  And lets be clear Safari on the desktop isn't the interesting one. Its the iOS devices. The iOS devices won't have Flash to fallback on either. So basically every iPhone, iPad, iPod Touch won't be able to watch your WebM videos AT ALL. There is no fallback, unless you encode to H264. Now maybe you can say that in this new HTML5 web world mobile Apple devices are irrelevant. I personally think you'd be wrong. H264 is the only codec that will generally be supported on every device, either directly or by Flash. From Chrome to Firefox to iOS to IE.
  • redthrowaway 16y ago
    If Youtube goes WebM/flash only, iOS will support WebM, period. Not being able to watch youtube videos would be like the Flash noise of a year ago, but worse, as there's no reason not to support WebM.
    • kenjackson 16y ago
      Apple and Jobs aren't shy about saying, "Nope, not doing it". Especially with those they view as enemies and trust me, Google is their arch enemy now, much moreso than Microsoft. A big reason they may not do it is backwards compat on HW accleration. They have a working solution on all devices today (H264). They're not likely to want to screw their old customers over a codec they aren't particularly fond of that was rammed down their throat by Google. Here's what I'd do if I were Apple, host my own video service, that serves H264 or Flash. MS and Apple throw their marketing weight and services around that (their various products auto upload to this new service). Now all iOS devices can play this video AND so can everyone else. YouTube dies a MySpace like death. If YouTube tries that I really think they may be sealing their own fate. To put it another way, people are NOT going to give up their iOS devices. But they will use a different video service.
      • rmc 16y ago
        If YouTube and all online video is WebM, then iOS will have no way to play 99% of videos (no flash remember). Apple can't afford for ipad to be "the device that doesn't play videos"
• rmc 16y ago
  Yes. Safari is a minor browser. Tiny market share.