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okay I understand people downvoting me because they don't like what I say but I wish I'd at least get an explanation why I'm constantly being flagged if I'm jus

okay I understand people downvoting me because they don't like what I say but I wish I'd at least get an explanation why I'm constantly being flagged if I'm just stating an unpopular opinion without any trolling, spam, or personal attacks (against other commentators. People here regularly attack article subjects so I assume thats okay).

Pfhreak 7y ago
I'll bite: > years ago where the brainwashing kicked in Brainwashing is a value judgement, an insult directed at the opposing point of view. > any normal person anywhere in the world who would honestly tell me this sounds like a well adjusted sane individual who wouldn't in all probability be a human headache for everyone around them? Wait, actually this whole sentence is just entirely an insult. You've completely dismissed any opposition as 'insane' or 'abnormal' or 'not well adjusted'. It's not how you engage in rhetoric that invites a response. It's one thing to say, "I disagree with these ideas, like using LatinX, I find it makes my life more challenging. Maybe I'm misunderstanding something." It's another to say that opposing viewpoints are insane.
- cybersnowflake 7y ago
  We're not allowed to say negative things about (anybody) that could be construed as an insult or dismissal? Have you read the Trump threads?
- freshbob 7y ago
  > Wait, actually this whole sentence is just entirely an insult. You've completely dismissed any opposition as 'insane' or 'abnormal' or 'not well adjusted'. And he is completely right.
woah 7y ago
It’s impossible to downvote so objectively and even-handedly as to not offend socially conservative message board commenters. One wonders if it is even worth trying, since the level of neuroticism about “censorship” when someone disagrees them will expand to encompass and exceed whatever your level of “rationality” is.
sergiotapia 7y ago
"I identify as a LatinX female" miss me with that imperialist shit. we're latino and latina.
- cybersnowflake 7y ago
  Thats the funny thing. You're basically erasing the Spanish language with the nongendered approach of English by using the term.
  - wtdata 7y ago
    The sentence is written in English, there is no Spanish language in the sentence to be erased.
zaroth 7y ago
You’re going to have to do better if you’re actually interested in having a real conversation. Everything from your username to your parlance screams troll, even if there was a well thought position you were attempting to stake out underneath it all, it’s undermined completely by your approach. If you’re not simply gaslighting with the complaint about flags and downvotes I would recommend trying to start afresh with a new username, and approach comments with a logical argument that tries hard to avoid flamebaiting and point scoring. There’s something to be said for “even Google gets this wrong”, why it is all so hard, and maybe structural issues which guarantee someone will always be aggrieved in the end. Maybe you want argue Google has overcorrected to badly that they have created a whole new kind of hostile workplace. But the conversation is lost if you want to argue around terms like “wokeness”.
jasonlotito 7y ago
Reasons why you are getting down voted. 1) A comment talking about being down voted (which is amusing considering your username). This is enough to get a down vote in my book. 2) An immature post. There are numerous signs, including the LOL at the end, that it's immature. 3) Fairly insulting to people who come here. 4) Your original comment is constantly begging the question. The reality is, you aren't interested in a discussion. 5) "I'm just stating an unpopular opinion without any trolling, spam, or personal attacks" No, you aren't "just stating an unpopular opinion" if this keeps happening to you. If this happens to you constantly, it's because you are wrong. Your opinion of your comments is wrong for the community.
- gowld 7y ago
  0) The obvious troll in the username.
- cybersnowflake 7y ago
  "1) Reasons why you are getting down voted. A comment talking about being down voted (which is amusing considering your username)." nah dude you can downvote me a million times. I'm just asking politely why I'm and other people I see just stating unpopular opinions are being flagged, which is a more serious measure I hoped would be reserved for things a bit less subjective than 'immaturity'. But if it isn't nbd, I just hope to clarify things so everybody knows from now on. I mean its not like theres clear completely nonvague objective rules and spelled out consequences carved in stone in the easiest to find places. "This is enough to get a down vote in my book. 2) An immature post. There are numerous signs, including the LOL at the end, that it's immature. 3) Fairly insulting to people who come here. 4)" I've never personally insulted anyone here....as far as I remember. If you mean indirectly than well thats so subjective everybody here indirectly insults someone all the time. "Your original comment is constantly begging the question. The reality is, you aren't interested in a discussion." Not true, I am happy to engage anyone who wants to debate me. Like now, my history is open book for you to freely browse, show me something in it clearly refutes this, it actually stands as a clear testament to the opposite. If I am wrong on the hard facts I will acquiese. If you think its pointless well isn't all/most discussion on threads like these pointless? " 5) "I'm just stating an unpopular opinion without any trolling, spam, or personal attacks" No, you aren't "just stating an unpopular opinion" if this keeps happening to you. If this happens to you constantly, it's because you are wrong. Your opinion of your comments is wrong for the community." speaking of dismissing arguments.
dang 7y ago
Taking HN threads further into generic ideological flamewar is against the site guidelines, so downvotes and flags are correct. Would you mind reviewing https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and not doing that anymore? Edit: on closer inspection, this account has been using HN primarily for ideological battle and ignored our requests to stop, so I've banned it. If you don't want to be banned, you're welcome to email hn@ycombinator.com and give us reason to believe that you'll follow the rules in the future.
- fzeroracer 7y ago
  I normally don't do specific call outs, but he's been doing this for months now and hasn't shown any attempt to stop. That's why I try to avoid engaging with his posts and just move on.

Pfhreak 7y ago

I'll bite: > years ago where the brainwashing kicked in Brainwashing is a value judgement, an insult directed at the opposing point of view. > any normal person anywhere in the world who would honestly tell me this sounds like a well adjusted sane individual who wouldn't in all probability be a human headache for everyone around them? Wait, actually this whole sentence is just entirely an insult. You've completely dismissed any opposition as 'insane' or 'abnormal' or 'not well adjusted'. It's not how you engage in rhetoric that invites a response. It's one thing to say, "I disagree with these ideas, like using LatinX, I find it makes my life more challenging. Maybe I'm misunderstanding something." It's another to say that opposing viewpoints are insane.

cybersnowflake 7y ago
We're not allowed to say negative things about (anybody) that could be construed as an insult or dismissal? Have you read the Trump threads?
freshbob 7y ago
> Wait, actually this whole sentence is just entirely an insult. You've completely dismissed any opposition as 'insane' or 'abnormal' or 'not well adjusted'. And he is completely right.

woah 7y ago

It’s impossible to downvote so objectively and even-handedly as to not offend socially conservative message board commenters. One wonders if it is even worth trying, since the level of neuroticism about “censorship” when someone disagrees them will expand to encompass and exceed whatever your level of “rationality” is.

sergiotapia 7y ago

"I identify as a LatinX female" miss me with that imperialist shit. we're latino and latina.

cybersnowflake 7y ago
Thats the funny thing. You're basically erasing the Spanish language with the nongendered approach of English by using the term.
- wtdata 7y ago
  The sentence is written in English, there is no Spanish language in the sentence to be erased.

zaroth 7y ago

You’re going to have to do better if you’re actually interested in having a real conversation. Everything from your username to your parlance screams troll, even if there was a well thought position you were attempting to stake out underneath it all, it’s undermined completely by your approach. If you’re not simply gaslighting with the complaint about flags and downvotes I would recommend trying to start afresh with a new username, and approach comments with a logical argument that tries hard to avoid flamebaiting and point scoring. There’s something to be said for “even Google gets this wrong”, why it is all so hard, and maybe structural issues which guarantee someone will always be aggrieved in the end. Maybe you want argue Google has overcorrected to badly that they have created a whole new kind of hostile workplace. But the conversation is lost if you want to argue around terms like “wokeness”.

jasonlotito 7y ago

Reasons why you are getting down voted. 1) A comment talking about being down voted (which is amusing considering your username). This is enough to get a down vote in my book. 2) An immature post. There are numerous signs, including the LOL at the end, that it's immature. 3) Fairly insulting to people who come here. 4) Your original comment is constantly begging the question. The reality is, you aren't interested in a discussion. 5) "I'm just stating an unpopular opinion without any trolling, spam, or personal attacks" No, you aren't "just stating an unpopular opinion" if this keeps happening to you. If this happens to you constantly, it's because you are wrong. Your opinion of your comments is wrong for the community.

gowld 7y ago
0) The obvious troll in the username.
cybersnowflake 7y ago
"1) Reasons why you are getting down voted. A comment talking about being down voted (which is amusing considering your username)." nah dude you can downvote me a million times. I'm just asking politely why I'm and other people I see just stating unpopular opinions are being flagged, which is a more serious measure I hoped would be reserved for things a bit less subjective than 'immaturity'. But if it isn't nbd, I just hope to clarify things so everybody knows from now on. I mean its not like theres clear completely nonvague objective rules and spelled out consequences carved in stone in the easiest to find places. "This is enough to get a down vote in my book. 2) An immature post. There are numerous signs, including the LOL at the end, that it's immature. 3) Fairly insulting to people who come here. 4)" I've never personally insulted anyone here....as far as I remember. If you mean indirectly than well thats so subjective everybody here indirectly insults someone all the time. "Your original comment is constantly begging the question. The reality is, you aren't interested in a discussion." Not true, I am happy to engage anyone who wants to debate me. Like now, my history is open book for you to freely browse, show me something in it clearly refutes this, it actually stands as a clear testament to the opposite. If I am wrong on the hard facts I will acquiese. If you think its pointless well isn't all/most discussion on threads like these pointless? " 5) "I'm just stating an unpopular opinion without any trolling, spam, or personal attacks" No, you aren't "just stating an unpopular opinion" if this keeps happening to you. If this happens to you constantly, it's because you are wrong. Your opinion of your comments is wrong for the community." speaking of dismissing arguments.

dang 7y ago

Taking HN threads further into generic ideological flamewar is against the site guidelines, so downvotes and flags are correct. Would you mind reviewing https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and not doing that anymore? Edit: on closer inspection, this account has been using HN primarily for ideological battle and ignored our requests to stop, so I've banned it. If you don't want to be banned, you're welcome to email hn@ycombinator.com and give us reason to believe that you'll follow the rules in the future.

fzeroracer 7y ago
I normally don't do specific call outs, but he's been doing this for months now and hasn't shown any attempt to stop. That's why I try to avoid engaging with his posts and just move on.