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> by this government's disgraceful and abhorrent behavior What abhorrent behavior? They've attempted to disincentive people abusing asylum policies. You don't

> by this government's disgraceful and abhorrent behavior What abhorrent behavior? They've attempted to disincentive people abusing asylum policies. You don't have to come and apply for false asylum, and you're free to self-deport.

mcphage 7y ago
> They've attempted to disincentive people abusing asylum policies. What a miserable, angry world you inhabit, that you're willing to hurt some of the most vulnerable people on the planet, because of a useless worry that someone somewhere might be taking advantage of us.
- mieseratte 7y ago
  Consider I've witnessed the economic damage that unchecked migration causes, first-hand, I'm rather right to be angry that our politicians let this problem fester for decades at the expense of our nation's poorest. Perhaps you should climb down off of your ivory tower and visit blue-collar America from time to time. You're accusing me of hurting others, while defending policies that... hurt others.
  - enraged_camel 7y ago
    >> unchecked migration There is no "unchecked migration" to the United States. There's a hard cap on the number of refugees that can be admitted every year, and the asylum process is long, complex, and stressful. Over the past 10 years, more than 50% of asylum claims have been denied. So it's not like claiming asylum comes with any sort of guarantees either.
    - mieseratte 7y ago
      > There is no "unchecked migration" to the United States. I'm referring to illegal immigration, of which a major component is the abuse of the asylum system. > So it's not like claiming asylum comes with any sort of guarantees either. Something like 90+% of claimants disappear after their initial catch-and-release at US / Mexico crossings, prompting Trump's controversial policy.
      - rhcom2 7y ago
        > Something like 90+% of claimants disappear after their initial catch-and-release at US / That was just a lie Pence told. https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2019/06/26/how-many-migrants-show-up-immigration-court-hearings/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2019/06/26/how-many-...
        mieseratte 7y ago
        No, Washington Post is referring to a different set of statistics to attempt to discredit Pence's more specific claims. The claim is regarding the current flow on the southern border, not historical trends across the nation as was cited. It's an apples-to-oranges comparison. This is like that old chestnut, "Bill Gates and I have a combined average net-worth of 40 billion dollars!" Well, I have none and he has 80 billion. You can't use broad statistics to disregard specific, regional trends.
        rhcom2 7y ago
        I'd love a citation for your 90% number then because I couldn't find any information broken down by location of border crossing.
        mcphage 7y ago
        It's been almost a week, and your parent poster still hasn't presented any citations... I'm beginning to suspect that there might not be any...
      - FireBeyond 7y ago
        It is not illegal, in any situation, to _apply_ for asylum. It is up to the government to evaluate. If granted, it is inherently legal. If not, well, still not illegal to apply for asylum. > Something like 90+% of claimants disappear after their initial catch-and-release Citation needed. The claimants who are eligible for release are ones that _CBP_ deemed low risk, and are fitted with ankle monitors. They're also only released in the first place because we make very little (to now nearly zero) effort to process them in a timely manner.
- HBKXNCUO 7y ago
  Actually, it's a pretty nice world, and I don't see anything wrong with wanting to keep it that way for our posterity to inherit. We have a lot of wealth, sure, but it's not infinite, and there are orders of magnitude more people that can take advantage of us than we can weather without driving our children's standard of living into the ground.
PhasmaFelis 7y ago
> What abhorrent behavior? Did you ignore my comment two comments up from yours? Read it, and the links.

mcphage 7y ago

> They've attempted to disincentive people abusing asylum policies. What a miserable, angry world you inhabit, that you're willing to hurt some of the most vulnerable people on the planet, because of a useless worry that someone somewhere might be taking advantage of us.

mieseratte 7y ago
Consider I've witnessed the economic damage that unchecked migration causes, first-hand, I'm rather right to be angry that our politicians let this problem fester for decades at the expense of our nation's poorest. Perhaps you should climb down off of your ivory tower and visit blue-collar America from time to time. You're accusing me of hurting others, while defending policies that... hurt others.
- enraged_camel 7y ago
  >> unchecked migration There is no "unchecked migration" to the United States. There's a hard cap on the number of refugees that can be admitted every year, and the asylum process is long, complex, and stressful. Over the past 10 years, more than 50% of asylum claims have been denied. So it's not like claiming asylum comes with any sort of guarantees either.
  - mieseratte 7y ago
    > There is no "unchecked migration" to the United States. I'm referring to illegal immigration, of which a major component is the abuse of the asylum system. > So it's not like claiming asylum comes with any sort of guarantees either. Something like 90+% of claimants disappear after their initial catch-and-release at US / Mexico crossings, prompting Trump's controversial policy.
    - rhcom2 7y ago
      > Something like 90+% of claimants disappear after their initial catch-and-release at US / That was just a lie Pence told. https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2019/06/26/how-many-migrants-show-up-immigration-court-hearings/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2019/06/26/how-many-...
      - mieseratte 7y ago
        No, Washington Post is referring to a different set of statistics to attempt to discredit Pence's more specific claims. The claim is regarding the current flow on the southern border, not historical trends across the nation as was cited. It's an apples-to-oranges comparison. This is like that old chestnut, "Bill Gates and I have a combined average net-worth of 40 billion dollars!" Well, I have none and he has 80 billion. You can't use broad statistics to disregard specific, regional trends.
        rhcom2 7y ago
        I'd love a citation for your 90% number then because I couldn't find any information broken down by location of border crossing.
        mcphage 7y ago
        It's been almost a week, and your parent poster still hasn't presented any citations... I'm beginning to suspect that there might not be any...
    - FireBeyond 7y ago
      It is not illegal, in any situation, to _apply_ for asylum. It is up to the government to evaluate. If granted, it is inherently legal. If not, well, still not illegal to apply for asylum. > Something like 90+% of claimants disappear after their initial catch-and-release Citation needed. The claimants who are eligible for release are ones that _CBP_ deemed low risk, and are fitted with ankle monitors. They're also only released in the first place because we make very little (to now nearly zero) effort to process them in a timely manner.
HBKXNCUO 7y ago
Actually, it's a pretty nice world, and I don't see anything wrong with wanting to keep it that way for our posterity to inherit. We have a lot of wealth, sure, but it's not infinite, and there are orders of magnitude more people that can take advantage of us than we can weather without driving our children's standard of living into the ground.

PhasmaFelis 7y ago

> What abhorrent behavior? Did you ignore my comment two comments up from yours? Read it, and the links.