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> You can easily store notes on a TI calculator. I had a TI-85 in college, and was occasionally guilty of writing TI-BASIC programs to make tests easier You're

> You can easily store notes on a TI calculator. I had a TI-85 in college, and was occasionally guilty of writing TI-BASIC programs to make tests easier You're thinking in the wrong direction—testing companies don't really care if you can access notes that you wrote, they don't want you to be able to quickly type up new notes as you take the test. Specifically, they don't want you to be able to copy down the test questions, because they charge money to get old test questions. They don't want the test itself to get out.

mattbreeden 7y ago
You can do this just as easily as it was to make your original notes
- hamandcheese 7y ago
  Which is not particularly easy. No way could anyone both pass a test and copy the questions into a ti84.
  - Paul-ish 7y ago
    I don't think you would go in with the intention of passing. Just of recording all the questions.
    - Fjolsvith 7y ago
      Ah, now I understand the 8 year degree.
- mcphage 7y ago
  > You can do this just as easily as it was to make your original notes Maybe kids have gotten better at it since I was in school, but text entry on the TI-8x was a laborious process, and calculators with qwerty keyboards (like the TI-92) were quickly banned.
IIAOPSW 7y ago
I had an 84 in high school and didn't even hide that I was doing this and didn't consider it cheating. The way I see it, if you understand the material well enough to program a computer to do it then you have understood the material. Not allowing me to make and use my own automation tool is just artificial difficulty. Now the kids who only used the program function to hide notes, those kids were cheaters. To this day I don't consider myself to have understood something until I can code it.
- dgoldstein0 7y ago
  This is somewhat fair, but the programs are also shareable. So if you s shared your program, presumably others could have the advantage without having understood the material
  - mrguyorama 7y ago
    My classes got around this by teaching how to make a TI84 quadratic solver program a short part of the curriculum. Introduced the students to the concept of building tools to help yourself pretty well. Most people didn't get programming because it was such a shallow dip into the field, but it sparked a couple minds. I had already done that basically a year earlier, when I had my programming awakening, so I did a lot of helping and after the lesson handing out my improved version of the code, as well as a self-made game

mattbreeden 7y ago

You can do this just as easily as it was to make your original notes

hamandcheese 7y ago
Which is not particularly easy. No way could anyone both pass a test and copy the questions into a ti84.
- Paul-ish 7y ago
  I don't think you would go in with the intention of passing. Just of recording all the questions.
  - Fjolsvith 7y ago
    Ah, now I understand the 8 year degree.
mcphage 7y ago
> You can do this just as easily as it was to make your original notes Maybe kids have gotten better at it since I was in school, but text entry on the TI-8x was a laborious process, and calculators with qwerty keyboards (like the TI-92) were quickly banned.

IIAOPSW 7y ago

I had an 84 in high school and didn't even hide that I was doing this and didn't consider it cheating. The way I see it, if you understand the material well enough to program a computer to do it then you have understood the material. Not allowing me to make and use my own automation tool is just artificial difficulty. Now the kids who only used the program function to hide notes, those kids were cheaters. To this day I don't consider myself to have understood something until I can code it.

dgoldstein0 7y ago
This is somewhat fair, but the programs are also shareable. So if you s shared your program, presumably others could have the advantage without having understood the material
- mrguyorama 7y ago
  My classes got around this by teaching how to make a TI84 quadratic solver program a short part of the curriculum. Introduced the students to the concept of building tools to help yourself pretty well. Most people didn't get programming because it was such a shallow dip into the field, but it sparked a couple minds. I had already done that basically a year earlier, when I had my programming awakening, so I did a lot of helping and after the lesson handing out my improved version of the code, as well as a self-made game