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Intellectual dishonesty is pretending that Trump's policies are identical to Obama's. For example, at least one of the infamous chain-link-cage detention cente

Intellectual dishonesty is pretending that Trump's policies are identical to Obama's. For example, at least one of the infamous chain-link-cage detention centers was indeed built under Obama. That's worth knowing, and it's also worth knowing that, by law, children were to be kept there for no more than 72 hours before being transferred to better quarters. The zero-tolerance policy that separated children from parents as the norm rather than an exception, that resulted in children being stuffed in those cages far beyond their intended capacity and left there for weeks, in unsanitary conditions, was all Trump. The deaths of an unprecedented seven children in one year in ICE custody, despite the total number of detainees nationwide being lower, was on Trump's watch. Sources: https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/obama-build-cages-immigrants/ https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/obama-build-cages-immigran... https://www.apnews.com/fdfbafe1f2784a759bc7c3a8e8ddbcab https://www.apnews.com/fdfbafe1f2784a759bc7c3a8e8ddbcab https://www.nbcnews.com/news/latino/why-are-migrant-children-dying-u-s-custody-n1010316 https://www.nbcnews.com/news/latino/why-are-migrant-children... Downvoters: I'm curious if you believe my facts are incorrect, or if you're just downvoting because you don't like my politics.

ianleeclark 7y ago
> Downvoters: I'm curious if you believe my facts are incorrect, or if you're just downvoting because you don't like my politics. I didn't downvote, but the sooner you can move away from the idea that rational debate is still possible, the sooner we can move to a solution. Rational discourse is fundamentally impossible with bad faith interlocutors, and the entire reactionary right movement is primarily concerned with one thing: "owning the libs, by any means necessary." There is no good faith discussion possible from thatstarting point.

ianleeclark 7y ago

> Downvoters: I'm curious if you believe my facts are incorrect, or if you're just downvoting because you don't like my politics. I didn't downvote, but the sooner you can move away from the idea that rational debate is still possible, the sooner we can move to a solution. Rational discourse is fundamentally impossible with bad faith interlocutors, and the entire reactionary right movement is primarily concerned with one thing: "owning the libs, by any means necessary." There is no good faith discussion possible from thatstarting point.