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> They are essentially prisons, because that is what we do with people who break the law. If you cross the border to request asylum, doesn't matter if walking

> They are essentially prisons, because that is what we do with people who break the law. If you cross the border to request asylum, doesn't matter if walking or by using a star trek teleporter, you are committing no crime. They are breaking no laws.

big_chungus 7y ago
At a port of entry only. At which point, you can't be released into the country while you wait, because 90% don't actually show up for hearings.
- FireBeyond 7y ago
  So said Mike Pence, and was later shown to be "not correct". The only people who were being released were the ones which border authorities themselves deemed "low risk", and were released with ankle monitoring, and even then only released because we refuse to process them in anything approaching a timely manner.
ng12 7y ago
So why don't we want to help ICE do their job? We can provide better living situations for people waiting for their case to be processed and better IT solutions to improve our ability to process cases. Taking petty stabs at ICE (like making it harder for them to do CI/CD) seems pretty unhelpful.
Fellshard 7y ago
Yet we have seen budget after budget blocked that would fund more humane facilities. If you care about stabilizing the asylum pathway, you have to be willing to fund it.
maxk42 7y ago
False. If you cross the border illegally you are a criminal, period. It is not suddenly legal if you subsequently request asylum and asylum may only be granted if entering at a legal port of entry, so these people do not qualify for asylum.
- tzs 7y ago
  If you cross the border to reach a port of entry to request asylum, it is not an illegal border crossing.
  - maxk42 7y ago
    A port of entry is a place where one may lawfully enter a country. There is no law carving-out an exception to lawful entry for people who plan to eventually travel to a lawful port of entry.
- SimbaOnSteroids 7y ago
  I committed roughly equivalent crimes driving to work today, as did everyone else on the highway driving 75 in a 60 zone, should I be detained in a standing room only facility with no amenities for hygiene?
- outworlder 7y ago
  EDIT: technically, you are breaking a law, as it is a misdemeanor. Have you found any instances where this was prosecuted, following a successful asylum application? It is NOT false. You need to be either at a port of entry or in the US to apply. You have one year to do so. https://www.uscis.gov/humanitarian/refugees-asylum/asylum/questions-and-answers-asylum-eligibility-and-applications https://www.uscis.gov/humanitarian/refugees-asylum/asylum/qu... > You may apply for asylum regardless of your immigration status and within one year of your arrival to the United States. You may apply even if convicted of a crime (although it doesn't mean it will be granted) > Yes, but you may be barred from being granted asylum depending on the crime

big_chungus 7y ago

At a port of entry only. At which point, you can't be released into the country while you wait, because 90% don't actually show up for hearings.

FireBeyond 7y ago
So said Mike Pence, and was later shown to be "not correct". The only people who were being released were the ones which border authorities themselves deemed "low risk", and were released with ankle monitoring, and even then only released because we refuse to process them in anything approaching a timely manner.

ng12 7y ago

So why don't we want to help ICE do their job? We can provide better living situations for people waiting for their case to be processed and better IT solutions to improve our ability to process cases. Taking petty stabs at ICE (like making it harder for them to do CI/CD) seems pretty unhelpful.

Fellshard 7y ago

Yet we have seen budget after budget blocked that would fund more humane facilities. If you care about stabilizing the asylum pathway, you have to be willing to fund it.

maxk42 7y ago

False. If you cross the border illegally you are a criminal, period. It is not suddenly legal if you subsequently request asylum and asylum may only be granted if entering at a legal port of entry, so these people do not qualify for asylum.

tzs 7y ago
If you cross the border to reach a port of entry to request asylum, it is not an illegal border crossing.
- maxk42 7y ago
  A port of entry is a place where one may lawfully enter a country. There is no law carving-out an exception to lawful entry for people who plan to eventually travel to a lawful port of entry.
SimbaOnSteroids 7y ago
I committed roughly equivalent crimes driving to work today, as did everyone else on the highway driving 75 in a 60 zone, should I be detained in a standing room only facility with no amenities for hygiene?
outworlder 7y ago
EDIT: technically, you are breaking a law, as it is a misdemeanor. Have you found any instances where this was prosecuted, following a successful asylum application? It is NOT false. You need to be either at a port of entry or in the US to apply. You have one year to do so. https://www.uscis.gov/humanitarian/refugees-asylum/asylum/questions-and-answers-asylum-eligibility-and-applications https://www.uscis.gov/humanitarian/refugees-asylum/asylum/qu... > You may apply for asylum regardless of your immigration status and within one year of your arrival to the United States. You may apply even if convicted of a crime (although it doesn't mean it will be granted) > Yes, but you may be barred from being granted asylum depending on the crime