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> That you're still not reading. Projection. Read that paragraph you quoted, specifically the words "in the moment". Nobody is arguing that Stallman didn't ded

> That you're still not reading. Projection. Read that paragraph you quoted, specifically the words "in the moment". Nobody is arguing that Stallman didn't deduce she might have been coerced. His whole excuse is that Minsky wouldn't have been able to tell that in the moment, even though he was on f'ing sex trafficking island. That a 17 year old offering to sleep with a 74 year old man on a billionaire's sex island was a victim of trafficking is not something that takes any bit of thoughtful reflection to figure out! It can be done in the moment by anyone with a conscience. > He didn't excuse him. Yes he did. "The 74 year old man might have thought the 17 year old on sex trafficking island was willing" is an excuse of the most disgusting type. Now you're making excuses for the excuser. > Some people do not like RMS, but hate lies more. You have proven no lies in my bulleted list.

TeMPOraL 7y ago
> His whole excuse is that Minsky wouldn't have been able to tell that in the moment, even though he was on f'ing sex trafficking island. Did he know, in that moment, he was on a sex trafficking island? > That a 17 year old offering to sleep with a 74 year old man on a billionaire's sex island was a victim of trafficking is not something that takes any bit of thoughtful reflection to figure out! Well, apparently Minsky may have figured that out, given that the witness testimony is that he turned the offer down. Regardless, this is off topic anyway. What's on topic is that RMS did not excuse the accusations of sex, only the accusations of violence which the original accusations (to his impression) risked turning into. > Now you're making excuses for the excuser. No, I'm only repeatedly restating what RMS said in different forms in a vain hope that one of these restatements "clicks" with you. > You have proven no lies in my bulleted list. I believe I did prove one (note that I didn't accuse you of making it, just repeating it). You know, this thread and the whole RMS story does make me worried about future of humanity. Great many people in the industry have revealed themselves to have no ability to read with comprehension, or parse clear English sentences. Now I see why people can't even agree about most basic facts in scientific issues like global warming - they read one thing, but in their minds, they read a different thing. I have nothing more to add on this topic.
- 5trokerac3 7y ago
  You still keep going to this "witness" testimony as if it's a kill all. It isn't. Where Minsky was and with whom has far more weight than what someone said who - for the umpteenth time - WAS ALSO ON JEFFREY EPSTEIN'S ISLAND. This "witness" also has zero bearing on anything Stallman wrote, as he was writing under the assumption that the accusation is true. Your continued use of it in defending Stallman denotes bad faith. > ...RMS did not excuse the accusations of sex... No, he only wrote a blog post saying that diddling kids should be legal. I can infer from that his thoughts on the Minsky situation. > No, I'm only repeatedly restating what RMS said in different forms in a vain hope that one of these restatements "clicks" with you. You're reiterating your interpretation as if it's valid. It is not, for all the aforementioned reasons.

TeMPOraL 7y ago

> His whole excuse is that Minsky wouldn't have been able to tell that in the moment, even though he was on f'ing sex trafficking island. Did he know, in that moment, he was on a sex trafficking island? > That a 17 year old offering to sleep with a 74 year old man on a billionaire's sex island was a victim of trafficking is not something that takes any bit of thoughtful reflection to figure out! Well, apparently Minsky may have figured that out, given that the witness testimony is that he turned the offer down. Regardless, this is off topic anyway. What's on topic is that RMS did not excuse the accusations of sex, only the accusations of violence which the original accusations (to his impression) risked turning into. > Now you're making excuses for the excuser. No, I'm only repeatedly restating what RMS said in different forms in a vain hope that one of these restatements "clicks" with you. > You have proven no lies in my bulleted list. I believe I did prove one (note that I didn't accuse you of making it, just repeating it). You know, this thread and the whole RMS story does make me worried about future of humanity. Great many people in the industry have revealed themselves to have no ability to read with comprehension, or parse clear English sentences. Now I see why people can't even agree about most basic facts in scientific issues like global warming - they read one thing, but in their minds, they read a different thing. I have nothing more to add on this topic.

5trokerac3 7y ago
You still keep going to this "witness" testimony as if it's a kill all. It isn't. Where Minsky was and with whom has far more weight than what someone said who - for the umpteenth time - WAS ALSO ON JEFFREY EPSTEIN'S ISLAND. This "witness" also has zero bearing on anything Stallman wrote, as he was writing under the assumption that the accusation is true. Your continued use of it in defending Stallman denotes bad faith. > ...RMS did not excuse the accusations of sex... No, he only wrote a blog post saying that diddling kids should be legal. I can infer from that his thoughts on the Minsky situation. > No, I'm only repeatedly restating what RMS said in different forms in a vain hope that one of these restatements "clicks" with you. You're reiterating your interpretation as if it's valid. It is not, for all the aforementioned reasons.