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Not really relevant for the antitrust investigation.

dymk 7y ago
The article is about Facebook copying features and draws a connection to Snaps subsequent downfall. I’m claiming the downfall was inevitable (no product, bad redesign, those useless spectacles), and once again Facebook is the scapegoat in all this.
- hellomyguys 7y ago
  You do realize both of these things can be true? Snap playing a role in their issues and Facebook also participating in behaviors that are relevant to an anti-trust investigation?
  - dymk 7y ago
    I’m looking forward to the proof coming from the company that was unable to succeed because of their own ability to execute.
    - rolltiide 7y ago
      Try compartmentalizing Everyone and everything is multifaceted
- sweezyjeezy 7y ago
  I think you should reread the article, it has very little to do with copying features. If Snap are correct then Facebook - actively discouraged IG users from discussing Snap - prevented Snap from trending on FB - used data from an acquisition Onavo to track what users did on other apps (such as Snap) Furthermore - whether or not these shady practices were the downfall of Snap does not absolve FB from doing them.
  - privateSFacct 7y ago
    I'm curious - why is facebook required to promote a competing social network? Did snap promote facebook properly on its network?
    - airstrike 7y ago
      > I'm curious - why is facebook required to promote a competing social network? They aren't required to promote, but arguably also can't actively find ways to prevent it from trending "organically" as that could ostensibly constitute an anti-competitive practice
- hizanberg 7y ago
  Snap’s not a bankrupt Startup without product, they’re still a 23.5B company with growing market share and features Facebook has been copying hand over fist, that would be arguably be worth a lot more if FB had to come up with their own features instead of Xeroxing Snaps ideas.
  - throwaway38638 7y ago
    Copying features of your competitors and innovating on them is part of competition.
- meowface 7y ago
  Both things seem to be true. Snap created an unsustainable business model that could be easily copied, and Facebook did a lot of highly unethical and possibly illegal things to accelerate their domination of Snap's market. If you read the article in full, there's really no defending Facebook's alleged behavior. The article doesn't even mention feature-copying, other than Zuckerberg saying "accept our buyout price or we'll copy you", but it's a single sentence in an article with a laundry list of unrelated allegations. I feel like a lot of people who dislike Snap are commenting without actually reading the article.

dymk 7y ago

The article is about Facebook copying features and draws a connection to Snaps subsequent downfall. I’m claiming the downfall was inevitable (no product, bad redesign, those useless spectacles), and once again Facebook is the scapegoat in all this.

hellomyguys 7y ago
You do realize both of these things can be true? Snap playing a role in their issues and Facebook also participating in behaviors that are relevant to an anti-trust investigation?
- dymk 7y ago
  I’m looking forward to the proof coming from the company that was unable to succeed because of their own ability to execute.
  - rolltiide 7y ago
    Try compartmentalizing Everyone and everything is multifaceted
sweezyjeezy 7y ago
I think you should reread the article, it has very little to do with copying features. If Snap are correct then Facebook - actively discouraged IG users from discussing Snap - prevented Snap from trending on FB - used data from an acquisition Onavo to track what users did on other apps (such as Snap) Furthermore - whether or not these shady practices were the downfall of Snap does not absolve FB from doing them.
- privateSFacct 7y ago
  I'm curious - why is facebook required to promote a competing social network? Did snap promote facebook properly on its network?
  - airstrike 7y ago
    > I'm curious - why is facebook required to promote a competing social network? They aren't required to promote, but arguably also can't actively find ways to prevent it from trending "organically" as that could ostensibly constitute an anti-competitive practice
hizanberg 7y ago
Snap’s not a bankrupt Startup without product, they’re still a 23.5B company with growing market share and features Facebook has been copying hand over fist, that would be arguably be worth a lot more if FB had to come up with their own features instead of Xeroxing Snaps ideas.
- throwaway38638 7y ago
  Copying features of your competitors and innovating on them is part of competition.
meowface 7y ago
Both things seem to be true. Snap created an unsustainable business model that could be easily copied, and Facebook did a lot of highly unethical and possibly illegal things to accelerate their domination of Snap's market. If you read the article in full, there's really no defending Facebook's alleged behavior. The article doesn't even mention feature-copying, other than Zuckerberg saying "accept our buyout price or we'll copy you", but it's a single sentence in an article with a laundry list of unrelated allegations. I feel like a lot of people who dislike Snap are commenting without actually reading the article.