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I dont even know where to start with this comment.

by celticninja 7y ago

ubercow13 7y ago
Could you try? As a (maybe naive, not upperclass) British citizen it seems pretty reasonable.
- celticninja 7y ago
  I just think it could be applied to UK politicians who are predominantly privately educated and incredibly out of touch, but it is a stretch to think that most company managers are privately educated. Particularly because in the car of Thomas Cook the CEO is a German educated Swiss man. Prior to that is was run by a woman, who was not Eton educated. So basically the comment is a generalisation that cannot even be applied to this specific instance. The only thing it can be applied to fairly is the British political class, who in general would adhere to it.
TheOtherHobbes 7y ago
You can start by agreeing with it. It's not just true, it's the fundamental reason the UK is in the mess it's currently in.
- celticninja 7y ago
  The statement may be correct if it was limited only to Eton educated politicians. As it isn't it is an unfair generalisation on mangers, many of whom are not Eton educated
sverige 7y ago
> One problem with the British upperclass, is that they tend to be educated at private schools like Eton, where they primarily learn confidence. So tons of British politicians and managers know how to appear to know what they're doing, without actually knowing what they're doing. Having worked with certain interested underwriters from Lloyd's, it was an easy upvote for me.
- celticninja 7y ago
  I agree that in politics that type of idiot is particularly over-represented, however it is unfair to assume this is the case with most managers in the UK. Perhaps it is because I have worked for and with competent UK managers who have no public school background, so the generalisation that this applies to tons of people is inaccurate. I am not defending the Eton educated upperclass just saying that they hardly represent the majority of managers employed in the UK.
  - mcv 7y ago
    I didn't mean to imply that all UK managers or politicians are like that, just that there's a segment that's coming from these schools that train primarily for confidence rather than competence. And they try to help each other to these positions of power in order to maintain the system. It's not universal for all UK politicians and managers, and it's not unique to the UK, but their system of mediocre elite schools that seems to train specifically for confidence, does make it more blatant.
C1sc0cat 7y ago
Its quite true look at the Mess Cameron and Johnson have created and all the other PPE Oxbridge grads.
- celticninja 7y ago
  I don't disagree with that, British political class certainly fits the generalisation made by the GP, but it can't be fairly applied to business managers. Thomas Cook was run by a Swiss guy educated in Germany.

I dont even know where to start with this comment.

ubercow13 7y ago

Could you try? As a (maybe naive, not upperclass) British citizen it seems pretty reasonable.

celticninja 7y ago
I just think it could be applied to UK politicians who are predominantly privately educated and incredibly out of touch, but it is a stretch to think that most company managers are privately educated. Particularly because in the car of Thomas Cook the CEO is a German educated Swiss man. Prior to that is was run by a woman, who was not Eton educated. So basically the comment is a generalisation that cannot even be applied to this specific instance. The only thing it can be applied to fairly is the British political class, who in general would adhere to it.

TheOtherHobbes 7y ago

You can start by agreeing with it. It's not just true, it's the fundamental reason the UK is in the mess it's currently in.

celticninja 7y ago
The statement may be correct if it was limited only to Eton educated politicians. As it isn't it is an unfair generalisation on mangers, many of whom are not Eton educated

sverige 7y ago

> One problem with the British upperclass, is that they tend to be educated at private schools like Eton, where they primarily learn confidence. So tons of British politicians and managers know how to appear to know what they're doing, without actually knowing what they're doing. Having worked with certain interested underwriters from Lloyd's, it was an easy upvote for me.

celticninja 7y ago
I agree that in politics that type of idiot is particularly over-represented, however it is unfair to assume this is the case with most managers in the UK. Perhaps it is because I have worked for and with competent UK managers who have no public school background, so the generalisation that this applies to tons of people is inaccurate. I am not defending the Eton educated upperclass just saying that they hardly represent the majority of managers employed in the UK.
- mcv 7y ago
  I didn't mean to imply that all UK managers or politicians are like that, just that there's a segment that's coming from these schools that train primarily for confidence rather than competence. And they try to help each other to these positions of power in order to maintain the system. It's not universal for all UK politicians and managers, and it's not unique to the UK, but their system of mediocre elite schools that seems to train specifically for confidence, does make it more blatant.

C1sc0cat 7y ago

Its quite true look at the Mess Cameron and Johnson have created and all the other PPE Oxbridge grads.

celticninja 7y ago
I don't disagree with that, British political class certainly fits the generalisation made by the GP, but it can't be fairly applied to business managers. Thomas Cook was run by a Swiss guy educated in Germany.