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The "market" is not actually a real market. There are no customers shopping on Amazon saying: "I only want to purchase things that were produced on a systemd fr

The "market" is not actually a real market. There are no customers shopping on Amazon saying: "I only want to purchase things that were produced on a systemd free computer".

icebraining 7y ago
Markets are not only on Amazon. Supporting a distro with time or money is a market transaction too.
dagw 7y ago
But there are distro maintainers that can choose between maintaining a systemd free distro or not. Sysadmins that can decide between deploying a systemd free disto or not. Developers that can decide between supporting systemd or not etc. I have been out of that game since before systemd showed up on anybodies radar and thus have no horse in this race, but a lot of seemingly smart people appear to have independently decided that they prefer supporting systemd to any alternative.
- StreamBright 7y ago
  >> But there are distro maintainers that can choose between maintaining a systemd free distro or not. The distro maintainers do not represent the market. >> Sysadmins that can decide between deploying a systemd free disto or not They cannot, it is usually corporate policy which system can be deployed. Even if they could, the users of those distros want softwares and features that only exist in systemd enabled ones. >> but a lot of seemingly smart people appear to have independently decided that they prefer supporting systemd to any alternative I am pretty sure you can say the same about NSDAP in 1933. It does not mean they are right, or the thing they chose is good.
- AstralStorm 7y ago
  You forgot who funds these developers, most of the time, so no big projects are not free to choose. Even Debian desisted after longer time.
  - dagw 7y ago
    It's still a market where companies can decide which projects to fund and developers can decide which projects to work on.

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The "market" is not actually a real market. There are no customers shopping on Amazon saying: "I only want to purchase things that were produced on a systemd fr

by StreamBright 7y ago

The "market" is not actually a real market. There are no customers shopping on Amazon saying: "I only want to purchase things that were produced on a systemd free computer".

icebraining 7y ago
Markets are not only on Amazon. Supporting a distro with time or money is a market transaction too.
dagw 7y ago
But there are distro maintainers that can choose between maintaining a systemd free distro or not. Sysadmins that can decide between deploying a systemd free disto or not. Developers that can decide between supporting systemd or not etc. I have been out of that game since before systemd showed up on anybodies radar and thus have no horse in this race, but a lot of seemingly smart people appear to have independently decided that they prefer supporting systemd to any alternative.
- StreamBright 7y ago
  >> But there are distro maintainers that can choose between maintaining a systemd free distro or not. The distro maintainers do not represent the market. >> Sysadmins that can decide between deploying a systemd free disto or not They cannot, it is usually corporate policy which system can be deployed. Even if they could, the users of those distros want softwares and features that only exist in systemd enabled ones. >> but a lot of seemingly smart people appear to have independently decided that they prefer supporting systemd to any alternative I am pretty sure you can say the same about NSDAP in 1933. It does not mean they are right, or the thing they chose is good.
- AstralStorm 7y ago
  You forgot who funds these developers, most of the time, so no big projects are not free to choose. Even Debian desisted after longer time.
  - dagw 7y ago
    It's still a market where companies can decide which projects to fund and developers can decide which projects to work on.