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Just copied the following from the slides. It all seems reasonable to me. Linux home directories are a bit of a mess and unportable. Can someone explain to m

by Jonnax 7y ago

Just copied the following from the slides. It all seems reasonable to me. Linux home directories are a bit of a mess and unportable. Can someone explain to me the hate for systemd other than: "It's trying to do too much" "I hate Poettering" "I prefer things to stay the same, that's why I use a ThinkPad from 2008" These are their identified problems: Needs writable /etc + Mixes State and Con guration UID assignments need to be propagated between systems No encryption (Or \mismatching" encryption) No modern authentication mechanisms Not extensible; plenty \Sidecar" databases (/etc/shadow, accounts-daemon, samba, SSH, pam limits) No resource management These are their stated goals: Migratable Home Directories (all the way to the point of \home-on-a-stick") Self Contained Home Directories (i.e. mere existance of a le /home/foobar.home synthesizes a user foobar) UID assignments as local artifact Unification of User Password and Encryption Key Extensible User Records Lock LUKS on System Suspend Yubikeys, from day #1 "Complications:* SSH Logins Disk Space Assignments UID Assignments (chown() on login) LUKS Locking They have two solutions: Concept A: JSON User Records (Superset of NSS records: struct passwd + struct group) Queriable via Varlink interface Convertible forth and back (lossy though, necessarily) Concept B Encrypted LUKS Home Directories in Loopback Files (/home/foobar.home with JSON records in ~/.identity) Managed by systemd-homed.service Concept A may be used without Concept B though

TACIXAT 7y ago
Thanks a ton for this. I opened this thread curious about the ideas and the top N comments were just talking of systemd.
Smithalicious 7y ago
> Can someone explain to me the hate for systemd other than: "It's trying to do too much" "I hate Poettering" "I prefer things to stay the same, that's why I use a ThinkPad from 2008" These are all perfectly valid reasons, you can't just hand-wave them away. The way you phrase them makes them semi-strawmen but they're just the equivalent of conventional wisdom: "do one thing well", "don't put all your eggs in one basket" and "don't fix what isn't broken". And also, my ThinkPad is from 2012, thank you very much.
- majewsky 7y ago
  Just to be clear, "I hate Poettering" is a perfectly valid reason, and not at all ad hominem?
  - Smithalicious 7y ago
    "I hate Poettering" is an ad hominem, but also a strawman. It's perfectly legitimate to not trust Poettering, or anyone else for that matter, to have such an individual influence over the entire FOSS ecosystem.
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by Jonnax 7y ago

TACIXAT 7y ago

Thanks a ton for this. I opened this thread curious about the ideas and the top N comments were just talking of systemd.

Smithalicious 7y ago

> Can someone explain to me the hate for systemd other than: "It's trying to do too much" "I hate Poettering" "I prefer things to stay the same, that's why I use a ThinkPad from 2008" These are all perfectly valid reasons, you can't just hand-wave them away. The way you phrase them makes them semi-strawmen but they're just the equivalent of conventional wisdom: "do one thing well", "don't put all your eggs in one basket" and "don't fix what isn't broken". And also, my ThinkPad is from 2012, thank you very much.

majewsky 7y ago
Just to be clear, "I hate Poettering" is a perfectly valid reason, and not at all ad hominem?
- Smithalicious 7y ago
  "I hate Poettering" is an ad hominem, but also a strawman. It's perfectly legitimate to not trust Poettering, or anyone else for that matter, to have such an individual influence over the entire FOSS ecosystem.

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