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That's ridiculous. That means that EVERYONE who has used http://codebutler.com/firesheep http://codebutler.com/firesheep can go to prison.

by pothibo 16y ago

m0nastic 16y ago
I don't see how that's ridiculous. Firesheep is a tool whose sole purpose is to facilitate hijacking a user's session. If you use Firesheep to gain access to a user account which you don't own, you're guilty of breaking the law. The fact that the tool makes this easy has no bearing on its legality. So yes, everyone who has used Firesheep to gain access to another user's account without their permission is guilty of breaking the law.
- pothibo 16y ago
  I'm well aware of that. But I think that's ridiculous, it's Internet, not your house. Even though people nowadays seem to think that you have privacy on the Internet, you don't. Do you go to jail if you open another phone in your house while your sister is talking to someone on the phone? You don't. Yes I think he did put some effort in guessing the question and took control of her account, and yes he should be punished. But jail? That's ridiculous. He didn't deform anything, he just presented the information he had. You also break the law when you go too fast on the highway and you don't go to jail.
  - m0nastic 16y ago
    This isn't listening in on the phone to your sister's phone call. This is closer to listening to someone else's voicemail by guessing what their PIN number is (also not legal). There are things which are yours, and there are things which are not yours. In many instances, accessing things which are not yours without the express permission of the actual owner is a crime. And I'm not going to argue with you if you're saying that the sentencing for computer-related crimes is ridiculous. I agree, I think it's totally out of whack (like a lot of sentencing in this country). And depending on how fast you are going on the highway you do indeed go to jail (most jurisdictions will charge you with reckless driving).
throwaway1138 16y ago
Firesheep is a tool to enable the easy theft of credentials. If you think it's legal, I don't know what to tell you. The thing about Firesheep is that it is inherently difficult to figure out which of the 30 people in the coffeeshop hijacked your session. It's not exactly as if they have a separate IP or something. Just because it's hard to get caught doesn't mean that it's okay to do, though.

That's ridiculous. That means that EVERYONE who has used http://codebutler.com/firesheep http://codebutler.com/firesheep can go to prison.

by pothibo 16y ago

That's ridiculous. That means that EVERYONE who has used http://codebutler.com/firesheep http://codebutler.com/firesheep can go to prison.

m0nastic 16y ago

I don't see how that's ridiculous. Firesheep is a tool whose sole purpose is to facilitate hijacking a user's session. If you use Firesheep to gain access to a user account which you don't own, you're guilty of breaking the law. The fact that the tool makes this easy has no bearing on its legality. So yes, everyone who has used Firesheep to gain access to another user's account without their permission is guilty of breaking the law.

pothibo 16y ago
I'm well aware of that. But I think that's ridiculous, it's Internet, not your house. Even though people nowadays seem to think that you have privacy on the Internet, you don't. Do you go to jail if you open another phone in your house while your sister is talking to someone on the phone? You don't. Yes I think he did put some effort in guessing the question and took control of her account, and yes he should be punished. But jail? That's ridiculous. He didn't deform anything, he just presented the information he had. You also break the law when you go too fast on the highway and you don't go to jail.
- m0nastic 16y ago
  This isn't listening in on the phone to your sister's phone call. This is closer to listening to someone else's voicemail by guessing what their PIN number is (also not legal). There are things which are yours, and there are things which are not yours. In many instances, accessing things which are not yours without the express permission of the actual owner is a crime. And I'm not going to argue with you if you're saying that the sentencing for computer-related crimes is ridiculous. I agree, I think it's totally out of whack (like a lot of sentencing in this country). And depending on how fast you are going on the highway you do indeed go to jail (most jurisdictions will charge you with reckless driving).

throwaway1138 16y ago

Firesheep is a tool to enable the easy theft of credentials. If you think it's legal, I don't know what to tell you. The thing about Firesheep is that it is inherently difficult to figure out which of the 30 people in the coffeeshop hijacked your session. It's not exactly as if they have a separate IP or something. Just because it's hard to get caught doesn't mean that it's okay to do, though.