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A great many people in the USA work well beyond 40h a week, and have a few hours of daily commute time on top of that. For them the weekends are for recovery;

A great many people in the USA work well beyond 40h a week, and have a few hours of daily commute time on top of that. For them the weekends are for recovery; there is no physical or emotional energy for social engagement or self care.

Gibbon1 7y ago
My opinion, most of the united states communal infrastructure is a wasteland.
PeterStuer 7y ago
It is not just the US. 10 hour workdays (officially 7.8, but if you would actually 'just' do that and skip the 8am or the 6pm meetings you will not be keeping up with the Joneses and pay the piper) and spend 2-3 hours in commuting each day doesn't leave much for hobbies.
- dleslie 7y ago
  It's true; China has the 996 problem, for instance.
- icebraining 7y ago
  Meetings outside the working hours?! Where is this common? Here we work 9-6, but even in the places I've worked on where unpaid overtime was common (otherwise you wouldn't keep up with the workload), no manager would have the gall to schedule regular meetings outside working hours.
  - chrisseaton 7y ago
    > Meetings outside the working hours?! Where is this common? If you have people in, for example, London and San Francisco, how can you possibly have a meeting inside both people's 9-5 working hours?
    - icebraining 7y ago
      > how can you possibly have a meeting inside both people's 9-5 working hours? Don't have 9-5 working hours? Having a meeting at 8 is okay, but that should mean people get to leave earlier as well.
      - chrisseaton 7y ago
        You can always have meetings inside working hours if you’re prepared to expand working hours either side as much as needed like that! In the modern international economy you’re going to have to be a bit flexible with hours.
        icebraining 7y ago
        Moving the hours around (from 9-5 to 8-4 or 10-6) is not expanding them, and it's already being flexible.
        chrisseaton 7y ago
        I don't get it then - you asked when do people have meetings outside normal working hours as if it was some sort of travesty that nobody would 'have the gall' to do, and now you're saying it's absolutely fine you just move your hours around...
        icebraining 7y ago
        PeterStuer, to whose post I originally replied, said those meetings were held outside working hours, so people effectively had "10 hour workdays". I don't see why is it hard to understand the difference between having a 10 hour workday or having a shifted 8 hour workday.
  - decebalus1 7y ago
    > Meetings outside the working hours?! Where is this common? In all FAANG companies I worked at when I had geographically distributed teams.
- alexhutcheson 7y ago
  2-3 hours commuting is not the norm. The average commute in the US is around 25 minutes each way, so roughly 1 hour total. Super-long commutes are almost non-existent outside a handful of metro areas. If you’re dealing with a very long commute, it might be worth it to move to a different metro, even if it requires a substantial pay cut. I think most people under-estimate the negative impact that a long commute has on their life.

Gibbon1 7y ago

My opinion, most of the united states communal infrastructure is a wasteland.

PeterStuer 7y ago

It is not just the US. 10 hour workdays (officially 7.8, but if you would actually 'just' do that and skip the 8am or the 6pm meetings you will not be keeping up with the Joneses and pay the piper) and spend 2-3 hours in commuting each day doesn't leave much for hobbies.

dleslie 7y ago
It's true; China has the 996 problem, for instance.
icebraining 7y ago
Meetings outside the working hours?! Where is this common? Here we work 9-6, but even in the places I've worked on where unpaid overtime was common (otherwise you wouldn't keep up with the workload), no manager would have the gall to schedule regular meetings outside working hours.
- chrisseaton 7y ago
  > Meetings outside the working hours?! Where is this common? If you have people in, for example, London and San Francisco, how can you possibly have a meeting inside both people's 9-5 working hours?
  - icebraining 7y ago
    > how can you possibly have a meeting inside both people's 9-5 working hours? Don't have 9-5 working hours? Having a meeting at 8 is okay, but that should mean people get to leave earlier as well.
    - chrisseaton 7y ago
      You can always have meetings inside working hours if you’re prepared to expand working hours either side as much as needed like that! In the modern international economy you’re going to have to be a bit flexible with hours.
      - icebraining 7y ago
        Moving the hours around (from 9-5 to 8-4 or 10-6) is not expanding them, and it's already being flexible.
        chrisseaton 7y ago
        I don't get it then - you asked when do people have meetings outside normal working hours as if it was some sort of travesty that nobody would 'have the gall' to do, and now you're saying it's absolutely fine you just move your hours around...
        icebraining 7y ago
        PeterStuer, to whose post I originally replied, said those meetings were held outside working hours, so people effectively had "10 hour workdays". I don't see why is it hard to understand the difference between having a 10 hour workday or having a shifted 8 hour workday.
- decebalus1 7y ago
  > Meetings outside the working hours?! Where is this common? In all FAANG companies I worked at when I had geographically distributed teams.
alexhutcheson 7y ago
2-3 hours commuting is not the norm. The average commute in the US is around 25 minutes each way, so roughly 1 hour total. Super-long commutes are almost non-existent outside a handful of metro areas. If you’re dealing with a very long commute, it might be worth it to move to a different metro, even if it requires a substantial pay cut. I think most people under-estimate the negative impact that a long commute has on their life.