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> This makes about as much sense as being intolerant to intolerance. Which makes... complete sense. It would be and has been a problem whenever we aren't into

> This makes about as much sense as being intolerant to intolerance. Which makes... complete sense. It would be and has been a problem whenever we aren't intolerant to Nazis and ISIS.

gruez 7y ago
https://www.popehat.com/2017/04/18/the-seductive-appeal-of-the-nazi-exception/ https://www.popehat.com/2017/04/18/the-seductive-appeal-of-t... >It would be and has been a problem whenever we aren't intolerant to Nazis It's a problem you say? Weimar Republic were arguably "intolerant" of nazis with its hate speech laws and look what that got us. https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/reasonable-restrictions-road-tyranny-mark-steyn/ https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/reasonable-restriction...
- guerrilla 7y ago
  Obviously not intolerant enough. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paradox_of_tolerance https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paradox_of_tolerance
  - ThrowawayR2 7y ago
    Ironically, Popper's paradox also logically implies that the rest of us must not tolerate your equally intolerant beliefs either.
  - needle0 7y ago
    While I don't consider the paradox of tolerance to be invalid, what I see happening is people using Popper as an excuse to be intolerant towards people they dislike, declaring that their target party is "intolerant" so they're allowed to be - or even have to be - intolerant towards them. Hence, the total amount of intolerance in the world increases either way. It seems like quite a damned if you do, damned if you don't situation.
wongarsu 7y ago
I guess it depends on what you mean by being intolerant. Preventing them from being violent or telling them that their views are wrong is one thing. Rejecting people for expressing their views is another. Both Neo-Nazis and ISIS recruit from those who feel as outsiders for whatever reason. Making them outcasts for having been recruited just serves to radicalize people further, locks them into their echo chambers and prevents them from rebounding into normal society.
- guerrilla 7y ago
  Also mimizes their normalization.

> This makes about as much sense as being intolerant to intolerance. Which makes... complete sense. It would be and has been a problem whenever we aren't intolerant to Nazis and ISIS.

gruez 7y ago

https://www.popehat.com/2017/04/18/the-seductive-appeal-of-the-nazi-exception/ https://www.popehat.com/2017/04/18/the-seductive-appeal-of-t... >It would be and has been a problem whenever we aren't intolerant to Nazis It's a problem you say? Weimar Republic were arguably "intolerant" of nazis with its hate speech laws and look what that got us. https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/reasonable-restrictions-road-tyranny-mark-steyn/ https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/reasonable-restriction...

guerrilla 7y ago
Obviously not intolerant enough. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paradox_of_tolerance https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paradox_of_tolerance
- ThrowawayR2 7y ago
  Ironically, Popper's paradox also logically implies that the rest of us must not tolerate your equally intolerant beliefs either.
- needle0 7y ago
  While I don't consider the paradox of tolerance to be invalid, what I see happening is people using Popper as an excuse to be intolerant towards people they dislike, declaring that their target party is "intolerant" so they're allowed to be - or even have to be - intolerant towards them. Hence, the total amount of intolerance in the world increases either way. It seems like quite a damned if you do, damned if you don't situation.

wongarsu 7y ago

I guess it depends on what you mean by being intolerant. Preventing them from being violent or telling them that their views are wrong is one thing. Rejecting people for expressing their views is another. Both Neo-Nazis and ISIS recruit from those who feel as outsiders for whatever reason. Making them outcasts for having been recruited just serves to radicalize people further, locks them into their echo chambers and prevents them from rebounding into normal society.

guerrilla 7y ago
Also mimizes their normalization.