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Just because you keep repeating doesn't make it any truer. France doesn't pay a premium, Germany on the other hand does and so does Denmark for their Solar and

Just because you keep repeating doesn't make it any truer. France doesn't pay a premium, Germany on the other hand does and so does Denmark for their Solar and Wind effection. https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/statistics-explained/index.php/Electricity_price_statistics https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/statistics-explained/index.php... So again you are simply factually incorrect and are just making up claims right now. High capacity factor (Nuclear) means you can trust the stability and in this case the scaleability of the source. Low capacity factor (Wind & Solar) means you can't trust the satbility of the source and it doesn't scale. Instead it needs backup from oil, coal, gas or nuclear. No energy source is without its problems but you've seen to miss the point of this discussion which is what is the best source for stable energy supply. To claim that high capacity factor of nuclear is a problem is simply flat out wrong and you won't find anyone back that claim up.

Retric 7y ago
France subsidizes consumer electric prices where Germany has significant taxes. On the generation side: “In 2014 the rate is €42/MWh, but CRE proposed an increase to €44 in 2015, €46 in 2016 and €48 in 2017 to allow EdF to recover costs of plant upgrades, which it put at €55 billion to extend all 58 reactor lifetimes by ten years. In November 2014 the government froze the price at €42 to mid-2015. This Arenh re-sale price has represented a long-term floor price for EdF’s power, and is nominally based on the cost of production. The industrial group Uniden said that the proposed 2015 wholesale price of €44/MWh would be €14 higher than Germany’s.” Of note these prices are mostly arbitrary as France’s Nuclear is operating on huge subsidies, but even with that their prices are higher. Thus despite massive economies of scale, Frances Nuclear costs went up. The numbers are even worse when you consider how much debt they have for aging Nuclear reactors which still need to be decommissioned which is going to cost insane amounts of money.
- ThomPete 7y ago
  Germany and Denmark subsidizes way more as you can see on those prices as they are a direct reflection of the fact that it's more expensive to use wind and solar. Furthermore you keep ignoring that wind and solar can't provide without coal, oil, gas or nuclear, the reverse is not true. And thus if you want to compare the cost of nuclear with the cost of wind or solar you of course need to factor in the cost of the backup energy needed which among others include nuclear! So no wind and solar are still much more expensive and doesn't provide stable energy.
  - Retric 7y ago
    Subsidies have zero impact on the cost to produce Nuclear energy only who pays. If you want to talk about prices. Germany has already subsided past installations of wind and solar at high cost, that says nothing about installing new wind and solar at current prices. Further, Germany is a very poor location for Solar. It has about the same solar potential as Alaska, but you can install it in other locations and move cheaply move electricity long distances. I mean we are talking about a country who’s southern tip is 48 degrees north. Mane is like 43 degrees north.
    - ThomPete 7y ago
      You are the one talking about subsidies and you keep changing your argument. The fact is that wind and solar can't be the base of any countries energy as it's intermittency and low capacity factor makes it dependent on oil, gas, coal and nuclear. We don't need wind and solar, we couldnt' do without the others. Denmark is amazing for wind. That doesn't help since electricity is only 20% of the energy distribution.

Retric 7y ago

France subsidizes consumer electric prices where Germany has significant taxes. On the generation side: “In 2014 the rate is €42/MWh, but CRE proposed an increase to €44 in 2015, €46 in 2016 and €48 in 2017 to allow EdF to recover costs of plant upgrades, which it put at €55 billion to extend all 58 reactor lifetimes by ten years. In November 2014 the government froze the price at €42 to mid-2015. This Arenh re-sale price has represented a long-term floor price for EdF’s power, and is nominally based on the cost of production. The industrial group Uniden said that the proposed 2015 wholesale price of €44/MWh would be €14 higher than Germany’s.” Of note these prices are mostly arbitrary as France’s Nuclear is operating on huge subsidies, but even with that their prices are higher. Thus despite massive economies of scale, Frances Nuclear costs went up. The numbers are even worse when you consider how much debt they have for aging Nuclear reactors which still need to be decommissioned which is going to cost insane amounts of money.

ThomPete 7y ago
Germany and Denmark subsidizes way more as you can see on those prices as they are a direct reflection of the fact that it's more expensive to use wind and solar. Furthermore you keep ignoring that wind and solar can't provide without coal, oil, gas or nuclear, the reverse is not true. And thus if you want to compare the cost of nuclear with the cost of wind or solar you of course need to factor in the cost of the backup energy needed which among others include nuclear! So no wind and solar are still much more expensive and doesn't provide stable energy.
- Retric 7y ago
  Subsidies have zero impact on the cost to produce Nuclear energy only who pays. If you want to talk about prices. Germany has already subsided past installations of wind and solar at high cost, that says nothing about installing new wind and solar at current prices. Further, Germany is a very poor location for Solar. It has about the same solar potential as Alaska, but you can install it in other locations and move cheaply move electricity long distances. I mean we are talking about a country who’s southern tip is 48 degrees north. Mane is like 43 degrees north.
  - ThomPete 7y ago
    You are the one talking about subsidies and you keep changing your argument. The fact is that wind and solar can't be the base of any countries energy as it's intermittency and low capacity factor makes it dependent on oil, gas, coal and nuclear. We don't need wind and solar, we couldnt' do without the others. Denmark is amazing for wind. That doesn't help since electricity is only 20% of the energy distribution.