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Just for argument, what if removal of privacy is the "deviant thought" that this thinking is trying to punish?
by sriku 7y ago
Just for argument, what if removal of privacy is the "deviant thought" that this thinking is trying to punish?
- wongarsu 7y agoI don't know. I can't even say if society stagnating is bad. I think society improved over the centuries and millennia, but of course I agree that the values I was raised into are the right ones. I don't have objective measures to verify this. I think I have good reasons and could argue them for hours, but in the end it's no different than arguing religion. The best chain of reasoning is worthless if the axioms are chosen arbitrarily.
- zaroth 7y agoThis makes about as much sense as being intolerant to intolerance. You’re free to privately believe that privacy shouldn’t exist. That is materially different from trying to eradicate privacy to cement state control over a populace — in an age where the State has almost immeasurably great power to track, monitor, and police its citizens.
- guerrilla 7y ago> This makes about as much sense as being intolerant to intolerance. Which makes... complete sense. It would be and has been a problem whenever we aren't intolerant to Nazis and ISIS.
- gruez 7y agohttps://www.popehat.com/2017/04/18/the-seductive-appeal-of-the-nazi-exception/ https://www.popehat.com/2017/04/18/the-seductive-appeal-of-t... >It would be and has been a problem whenever we aren't intolerant to Nazis It's a problem you say? Weimar Republic were arguably "intolerant" of nazis with its hate speech laws and look what that got us. https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/reasonable-restrictions-road-tyranny-mark-steyn/ https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/reasonable-restriction...
- guerrilla 7y agoObviously not intolerant enough. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paradox_of_tolerance https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paradox_of_tolerance
- ThrowawayR2 7y agoIronically, Popper's paradox also logically implies that the rest of us must not tolerate your equally intolerant beliefs either.
- needle0 7y agoWhile I don't consider the paradox of tolerance to be invalid, what I see happening is people using Popper as an excuse to be intolerant towards people they dislike, declaring that their target party is "intolerant" so they're allowed to be - or even have to be - intolerant towards them. Hence, the total amount of intolerance in the world increases either way. It seems like quite a damned if you do, damned if you don't situation.
- wongarsu 7y agoI guess it depends on what you mean by being intolerant. Preventing them from being violent or telling them that their views are wrong is one thing. Rejecting people for expressing their views is another. Both Neo-Nazis and ISIS recruit from those who feel as outsiders for whatever reason. Making them outcasts for having been recruited just serves to radicalize people further, locks them into their echo chambers and prevents them from rebounding into normal society.
- guerrilla 7y agoAlso mimizes their normalization.