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Why would it be completely fabricated?

Causality1 7y ago
Because it's a legal accusation from an incredibly corrupt industry being leveled at someone who makes a habit of airing their dirty laundry.
- mikeyouse 7y ago
  Doyen in particular is extremely shady with many of the same people from the scandalous Trump SoHo deal including the man who brought a harem of underaged prostitutes on Atatark's yacht. It's amazing how small the corrupt class actually is and how bad international law enforcement is at stopping the wealthy corrupt. https://theblacksea.eu/stories/football-leaks/the-football-leaks-family-2-hidden-partnerships-the-family-mafia-and-a-future-u-s-president/ https://theblacksea.eu/stories/football-leaks/the-football-l... https://theblacksea.eu/stories/football-leaks/football-leaks-kazakh-moguls-the-pal-of-donald-trump-teen-models-and-the-yacht-of-the-father-of-the-turks/ https://theblacksea.eu/stories/football-leaks/football-leaks...
  - gowld 7y ago
    It's fascinating how many "nationalist" leaders are privately part of a global elite class, hobnobbing with foreign interests
    - Mirioron 7y ago
      Maybe the reason why they are nationalist is because they see the other global elites and want to avoid them?
      - shkkmo 7y ago
        That makes absolutely no sense...
        Mirioron 7y ago
        Why would that not make sense? They don't want to share control with elites from other countries. If they developed towards a global system then everybody would have to follow the same rules, whereas right now there are different rules, which leads to more opportunities for them to retain their power.
      - n4r9 7y ago
        More likely that keeping countries isolated maintains access to tax havens, cheap labour and various other benefits.
        HenryBemis 7y ago
        Rewording what you wrote. Maybe a dictator can make anyone disappear instantly with no questions asked from within the country. Scrutiny from the outside will only happen if someone is fast enough to leave and open their mouth despite the threat of retaliation/persecution/execution of loved ones (a la North Korea)
        n4r9 7y ago
        I was thinking more broadly than overt dictators. Right-wing nationalists tend to have vested commercial interests that benefit from a lack of global integration. I'm thinking more of Trump, Bolsonaro, Orban, or Morawiecki. These are people that spout faux "anti-elite" rhetoric whilst having strong ties with actual global elites. This level of control might occasionally include disappearing individuals when necessary, but is much more subtle and wide-ranging.
      - somebadguy 7y ago
        How are you so fucking dumb? Do you need help to get dressed?
    - spodek 7y ago
      Jean Renoir's 1937 movie The Grand Illusion https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/La_Grande_Illusion https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/La_Grande_Illusion treats this issue with subtlety and nuance. Many consider it one of the greatest movies of all time.
- rumanator 7y ago
  > someone who makes a habit of airing their dirty laundry. It was his livelihood: get some dirt, threaten to release it, demand hefty cash payments as danegeld. It's easy to pass off the last leg of the extorsion campaign as doing public good if you conveniently leave out the long trail of demands for hefty financial gains. And before this fact is brushed under the carpet, do keep in mind that the same suspect also demanded financial payments from media companies to access the content he was supposedly trying to release to the public.
  - dmix 7y ago
    Was there more extortion attempts besides the one he's being charged with (Doyen)?

Because it's a legal accusation from an incredibly corrupt industry being leveled at someone who makes a habit of airing their dirty laundry.

mikeyouse 7y ago
Doyen in particular is extremely shady with many of the same people from the scandalous Trump SoHo deal including the man who brought a harem of underaged prostitutes on Atatark's yacht. It's amazing how small the corrupt class actually is and how bad international law enforcement is at stopping the wealthy corrupt. https://theblacksea.eu/stories/football-leaks/the-football-leaks-family-2-hidden-partnerships-the-family-mafia-and-a-future-u-s-president/ https://theblacksea.eu/stories/football-leaks/the-football-l... https://theblacksea.eu/stories/football-leaks/football-leaks-kazakh-moguls-the-pal-of-donald-trump-teen-models-and-the-yacht-of-the-father-of-the-turks/ https://theblacksea.eu/stories/football-leaks/football-leaks...
- gowld 7y ago
  It's fascinating how many "nationalist" leaders are privately part of a global elite class, hobnobbing with foreign interests
  - Mirioron 7y ago
    Maybe the reason why they are nationalist is because they see the other global elites and want to avoid them?
    - shkkmo 7y ago
      That makes absolutely no sense...
      - Mirioron 7y ago
        Why would that not make sense? They don't want to share control with elites from other countries. If they developed towards a global system then everybody would have to follow the same rules, whereas right now there are different rules, which leads to more opportunities for them to retain their power.
    - n4r9 7y ago
      More likely that keeping countries isolated maintains access to tax havens, cheap labour and various other benefits.
      - HenryBemis 7y ago
        Rewording what you wrote. Maybe a dictator can make anyone disappear instantly with no questions asked from within the country. Scrutiny from the outside will only happen if someone is fast enough to leave and open their mouth despite the threat of retaliation/persecution/execution of loved ones (a la North Korea)
        n4r9 7y ago
        I was thinking more broadly than overt dictators. Right-wing nationalists tend to have vested commercial interests that benefit from a lack of global integration. I'm thinking more of Trump, Bolsonaro, Orban, or Morawiecki. These are people that spout faux "anti-elite" rhetoric whilst having strong ties with actual global elites. This level of control might occasionally include disappearing individuals when necessary, but is much more subtle and wide-ranging.
    - somebadguy 7y ago
      How are you so fucking dumb? Do you need help to get dressed?
  - spodek 7y ago
    Jean Renoir's 1937 movie The Grand Illusion https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/La_Grande_Illusion https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/La_Grande_Illusion treats this issue with subtlety and nuance. Many consider it one of the greatest movies of all time.
rumanator 7y ago
> someone who makes a habit of airing their dirty laundry. It was his livelihood: get some dirt, threaten to release it, demand hefty cash payments as danegeld. It's easy to pass off the last leg of the extorsion campaign as doing public good if you conveniently leave out the long trail of demands for hefty financial gains. And before this fact is brushed under the carpet, do keep in mind that the same suspect also demanded financial payments from media companies to access the content he was supposedly trying to release to the public.
- dmix 7y ago
  Was there more extortion attempts besides the one he's being charged with (Doyen)?