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Incorrect. Apple asks users to select a carrier, however the site clearly states that all iPhones sold by Apple, including those under the IUP, are unlocked.

Incorrect. Apple asks users to select a carrier, however the site clearly states that all iPhones sold by Apple, including those under the IUP, are unlocked. That is a misrepresentation by Apple. Many people buy the unlocked Verizon version of iPhones, regardless of their carrier, because only that specific version supports both CDMA and GSM. The issue is that Apple has not updated their website to reflect Verizon's 60 day policy. The thread clearly states that he bought the phone directly from Apple.

bardworx 7y ago
They ARE unlocked UNTIL you activate it with Verizon, in which case, Verizon's policy takes over. Apple is being truthful. If the person purchased an Unlocked phone, in the first place, this wouldn't be an issue. If they purchased ANY version of the phone besides Verizon it is unlocked. Verizon is locked per carrier, not per Apple. This is an important distinction.
- mackey 7y ago
  The user stated they did not activate with a Verizon Sim before trying the t-mobile sim. Another user confirmed they had a similar issue only on their iUP that they ordered online, their in store version was unlocked even after activating with Verizon. Apple's order page also clearly says all the version are unlocked except ATT Next. Apple apparently failed to update their site regarding the Verizon issue. That is Apple's fault, not the person.
  - bardworx 7y ago
    According to the poster, at some point during the purchase, they logged into their Verizon account. I’m guessing that’s the trigger that caused this but I’m not sure. https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/warning-iphone-upgrade-program-11-pros-are-not-factory-unlocked-they-are-lying.2200359/post-27782779 https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/warning-iphone-upgrade-...
pinewurst 7y ago
At one point that was true but the past several generations (from 6 on I think) have only a single US SKU.
- downandout 7y ago
  I read through that whole thread, and the concensus seems to be that this is still an issue. It appears that all of the phones now have the CDMA technology in them, however it is still only active on the Verizon and Sprint versions, because Apple must pay a patent royalty for each activated CDMA phone, and it does not want to pay that royalty for customers using GSM carriers.
  - pinewurst 7y ago
    Correcting my earlier statement which wasn’t generally true. When Apple was trying to pressure Qualcomm by using crappy Intel modems, those models did not support CDMA. The current “11” generation at least seems to be universal according to Apple but they don’t mention extra CDMA conditional licensing. https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT201296 https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT201296

bardworx 7y ago

They ARE unlocked UNTIL you activate it with Verizon, in which case, Verizon's policy takes over. Apple is being truthful. If the person purchased an Unlocked phone, in the first place, this wouldn't be an issue. If they purchased ANY version of the phone besides Verizon it is unlocked. Verizon is locked per carrier, not per Apple. This is an important distinction.

mackey 7y ago
The user stated they did not activate with a Verizon Sim before trying the t-mobile sim. Another user confirmed they had a similar issue only on their iUP that they ordered online, their in store version was unlocked even after activating with Verizon. Apple's order page also clearly says all the version are unlocked except ATT Next. Apple apparently failed to update their site regarding the Verizon issue. That is Apple's fault, not the person.
- bardworx 7y ago
  According to the poster, at some point during the purchase, they logged into their Verizon account. I’m guessing that’s the trigger that caused this but I’m not sure. https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/warning-iphone-upgrade-program-11-pros-are-not-factory-unlocked-they-are-lying.2200359/post-27782779 https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/warning-iphone-upgrade-...

pinewurst 7y ago

At one point that was true but the past several generations (from 6 on I think) have only a single US SKU.

downandout 7y ago
I read through that whole thread, and the concensus seems to be that this is still an issue. It appears that all of the phones now have the CDMA technology in them, however it is still only active on the Verizon and Sprint versions, because Apple must pay a patent royalty for each activated CDMA phone, and it does not want to pay that royalty for customers using GSM carriers.
- pinewurst 7y ago
  Correcting my earlier statement which wasn’t generally true. When Apple was trying to pressure Qualcomm by using crappy Intel modems, those models did not support CDMA. The current “11” generation at least seems to be universal according to Apple but they don’t mention extra CDMA conditional licensing. https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT201296 https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT201296