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Like gun ownership and free speech, you have the right to vote in America. So, if the government wanted to make it harder for the bad guys to own a gun... why

Like gun ownership and free speech, you have the right to vote in America. So, if the government wanted to make it harder for the bad guys to own a gun... why should the good guys have to suffer for it? Similarly, just because the government wants to prevent bad guys from voting, then why should the good guys have to suffer the consequences?

asabjorn 7y ago
96% of Americans have a cellphone and that require an ID: https://www.pewinternet.org/fact-sheet/mobile/ https://www.pewinternet.org/fact-sheet/mobile/ Also, good guys have IDs to do one of the many things I listed that require IDs including poor people that need an ID for food stamps or medicare or social security. It is actually quite hard to buy a gun as this journalist that thought it was easy found out when trying to buy one: https://www.businessinsider.com/walmart-gun-buying-review-virginia-store-2019-8 https://www.businessinsider.com/walmart-gun-buying-review-vi...
- youeseh 7y ago
  Assuming that you're right that 96% have an ID, then what problem are we solving by forcing the other 4% into getting an ID? Is it even a problem? Do you have data to show that it is a real problem? Check this out: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rHFOwlMCdto https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rHFOwlMCdto Btw, you shouldn't mix up Walmart with the government. They aren't. Walmart can structure their customer experience any way they want as long as they aren't breaking the law.
  - asabjorn 7y ago
    With the intersection between 96% with cellphones that need an ID and all the other places where an ID is needed the percentage without an ID will be much less than 4%. For instance, it seem fair to assume someone without a cell phone is poor or very old. Such a person would utilize government services that require an ID such as foodstamps, medicaid or medicare or social security.
- belltaco 7y ago
  >96% of Americans have a cellphone and that require an ID Citation that cellphones need an id?
  - trevyn 7y ago
    They don’t. Maybe OP is thinking about postpaid plans?
    - asabjorn 7y ago
      Looking into it seems like only postpaid need ID, and it is hard to come by statistics on post vs pre paid. However, bank accounts require an ID [1] and only 6.5% of the US population was unbanked in 2017 which demonstrates the same point. "If you don’t have a U.S. government-issued SSN or ITIN, some banks and credit unions will accept a passport number and country of issuance, an alien identification card number, or other government-issued ID number." [1] https://www.consumerfinance.gov/ask-cfpb/can-i-get-a-checking-account-without-a-social-security-number-en-929/ https://www.consumerfinance.gov/ask-cfpb/can-i-get-a-checkin... [2] https://www.fdic.gov/householdsurvey/ https://www.fdic.gov/householdsurvey/
frittig 7y ago
I'm pretty sure that you need an ID in order to buy a gun.
- cm2012 7y ago
  Not at gun shows or other common purchasing avenues.
  - CompanionCuuube 7y ago
    If the seller is in the business of dealing with firearms, they do as a matter of federal law.
- giancarlostoro 7y ago
  Here in Florida they run a background check if you want to get any kind of gun. Depending on the gun you have a 3 day wait period. Handguns have a 3 day wait period. Rifles and shotguns do not but they will do a background check regardless.
- youeseh 7y ago
  No one said that you have the right to buy one. You have the right to OWN a gun. You have the right to vote.
  - CompanionCuuube 7y ago
    That doesn't make sense. Does that mean it's okay if we just throw away the votes of people who don't have ids? After all, they have a right to vote but not to have that vote count.

asabjorn 7y ago

96% of Americans have a cellphone and that require an ID: https://www.pewinternet.org/fact-sheet/mobile/ https://www.pewinternet.org/fact-sheet/mobile/ Also, good guys have IDs to do one of the many things I listed that require IDs including poor people that need an ID for food stamps or medicare or social security. It is actually quite hard to buy a gun as this journalist that thought it was easy found out when trying to buy one: https://www.businessinsider.com/walmart-gun-buying-review-virginia-store-2019-8 https://www.businessinsider.com/walmart-gun-buying-review-vi...

youeseh 7y ago
Assuming that you're right that 96% have an ID, then what problem are we solving by forcing the other 4% into getting an ID? Is it even a problem? Do you have data to show that it is a real problem? Check this out: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rHFOwlMCdto https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rHFOwlMCdto Btw, you shouldn't mix up Walmart with the government. They aren't. Walmart can structure their customer experience any way they want as long as they aren't breaking the law.
- asabjorn 7y ago
  With the intersection between 96% with cellphones that need an ID and all the other places where an ID is needed the percentage without an ID will be much less than 4%. For instance, it seem fair to assume someone without a cell phone is poor or very old. Such a person would utilize government services that require an ID such as foodstamps, medicaid or medicare or social security.
belltaco 7y ago
>96% of Americans have a cellphone and that require an ID Citation that cellphones need an id?
- trevyn 7y ago
  They don’t. Maybe OP is thinking about postpaid plans?
  - asabjorn 7y ago
    Looking into it seems like only postpaid need ID, and it is hard to come by statistics on post vs pre paid. However, bank accounts require an ID [1] and only 6.5% of the US population was unbanked in 2017 which demonstrates the same point. "If you don’t have a U.S. government-issued SSN or ITIN, some banks and credit unions will accept a passport number and country of issuance, an alien identification card number, or other government-issued ID number." [1] https://www.consumerfinance.gov/ask-cfpb/can-i-get-a-checking-account-without-a-social-security-number-en-929/ https://www.consumerfinance.gov/ask-cfpb/can-i-get-a-checkin... [2] https://www.fdic.gov/householdsurvey/ https://www.fdic.gov/householdsurvey/

frittig 7y ago

I'm pretty sure that you need an ID in order to buy a gun.

cm2012 7y ago
Not at gun shows or other common purchasing avenues.
- CompanionCuuube 7y ago
  If the seller is in the business of dealing with firearms, they do as a matter of federal law.
giancarlostoro 7y ago
Here in Florida they run a background check if you want to get any kind of gun. Depending on the gun you have a 3 day wait period. Handguns have a 3 day wait period. Rifles and shotguns do not but they will do a background check regardless.
youeseh 7y ago
No one said that you have the right to buy one. You have the right to OWN a gun. You have the right to vote.
- CompanionCuuube 7y ago
  That doesn't make sense. Does that mean it's okay if we just throw away the votes of people who don't have ids? After all, they have a right to vote but not to have that vote count.