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As a non-citizen I think it is fair to expect enforcement of only one vote per citizen and to verify that the right person votes. Your assertion on how common

As a non-citizen I think it is fair to expect enforcement of only one vote per citizen and to verify that the right person votes. Your assertion on how common voter fraud is contradic former NYC Democratic Commissioner of the Board of Elections Alan Schulkin which says it is prevalent in New York City, and he thinks there is a need for Voter ID laws: https://twitter.com/JamesOKeefeIII/status/1175118003140222976 https://twitter.com/JamesOKeefeIII/status/117511800314022297... This is a whole thread on how common fraud is: https://www.projectveritas.com/2018/11/13/elections-fraud-2018-recap-and-impact/ https://www.projectveritas.com/2018/11/13/elections-fraud-20...

codyb 7y ago
Trump set up an entire committee to investigate voter fraud in the 2016 election and apparently found so little they were disbanded and never released their findings. And I’m not basing much of my world view on that guys unsubstantiated claims or three video clips posted on Project Veritas (a Conservative non-profit which receives funding from the Koch brothers). There’s a tweet from Governor Abbot talking about investigating this issue from 2018. I conveniently see zero follow up as to the results of that investigation.
- asabjorn 7y ago
  How do you even distinguish voter fraud from a regular vote after the fact? This seems impossible because the vote is anonymous and there is no ID requirement, so no wonder putting a number on it after the fact is hard. The source doesn't change the content of what they discovered, people caught red handed, or the statements made by officials such as NYC Democratic Commisioner Alan Schulkin.
  - codyb 7y ago
    For a non American you seem very invested in this. I see no proof of people being caught redhanded and that’d be pretty easy to verify since voter fraud is a felony and they’d have a court cases. It would take thousands of cases to sway most elections, so you’d need hundreds and hundreds of people to commit multiple felonies. And yet somehow none of this giant conspiracy to manipulate voter fraud is leaking out? Seems implausible. And they’d all need to assume identities of people already on the voter registration rolls. So those hundreds of felons would have to somehow not take the vote of someone who would vote later that day, or someone who’d already voted. This is a lot of work and a really grand conspiracy to keep under wraps. It’s almost certainly easier, cheaper, and more effective to spread false narratives such as “voter fraud is a big issue and only Republicans care about the sacredness of _your_ vote” than it is to actually somehow find and organize enough people to make it worthwhile.
    - manquer 7y ago
      Not OP, not American either. The voter ID laws in India helps enormously in reducing fraud, if India can implement a system like that, Surely US should be able to as well ?
      - codyb 7y ago
        As I’ve explained, it’s a solution to a problem that doesn’t need solving. Maybe it is a different situation in India, but here the people proposing voter identification laws are doing so in bad faith. They’re trying to make it harder to vote so elections are less fair, as opposed to making elections more fair by guaranteeing the sanctity of the individuals vote which is the position they’re pretending to be standing on.
        asabjorn 7y ago
        To make it harder a significant number of people need to have no ID. Banking require and id [1] and 93.5% of the population is banked. Most of the remainder probably has an ID for Government services that need them such as applying for food stamps, medicare, medicaid, having a job, unemployment support and social security. In Norway, my home country, it has never been an issue in our 200 years as an independent country for anyone to get an ID to vote. And we used to be mostly dirt poor fishers and farmers that often lived in fairly isolated places.
        asabjorn 7y ago
        Forgot link of evidence that banking require ID https://www.consumerfinance.gov/ask-cfpb/can-i-get-a-checking-account-without-a-social-security-number-en-929/ https://www.consumerfinance.gov/ask-cfpb/can-i-get-a-checkin...
        codyb 7y ago
        Generally that 6.5% of unbanked persons tend not to vote for less healthcare and more tax breaks for the rich. Instituting the voter ID law makes it harder for 6.5% of people that rarely vote for Republicans to vote to prevent 0.000X% of votes cast fraudulently each election. Do you get it now?

codyb 7y ago

Trump set up an entire committee to investigate voter fraud in the 2016 election and apparently found so little they were disbanded and never released their findings. And I’m not basing much of my world view on that guys unsubstantiated claims or three video clips posted on Project Veritas (a Conservative non-profit which receives funding from the Koch brothers). There’s a tweet from Governor Abbot talking about investigating this issue from 2018. I conveniently see zero follow up as to the results of that investigation.

asabjorn 7y ago
How do you even distinguish voter fraud from a regular vote after the fact? This seems impossible because the vote is anonymous and there is no ID requirement, so no wonder putting a number on it after the fact is hard. The source doesn't change the content of what they discovered, people caught red handed, or the statements made by officials such as NYC Democratic Commisioner Alan Schulkin.
- codyb 7y ago
  For a non American you seem very invested in this. I see no proof of people being caught redhanded and that’d be pretty easy to verify since voter fraud is a felony and they’d have a court cases. It would take thousands of cases to sway most elections, so you’d need hundreds and hundreds of people to commit multiple felonies. And yet somehow none of this giant conspiracy to manipulate voter fraud is leaking out? Seems implausible. And they’d all need to assume identities of people already on the voter registration rolls. So those hundreds of felons would have to somehow not take the vote of someone who would vote later that day, or someone who’d already voted. This is a lot of work and a really grand conspiracy to keep under wraps. It’s almost certainly easier, cheaper, and more effective to spread false narratives such as “voter fraud is a big issue and only Republicans care about the sacredness of _your_ vote” than it is to actually somehow find and organize enough people to make it worthwhile.
  - manquer 7y ago
    Not OP, not American either. The voter ID laws in India helps enormously in reducing fraud, if India can implement a system like that, Surely US should be able to as well ?
    - codyb 7y ago
      As I’ve explained, it’s a solution to a problem that doesn’t need solving. Maybe it is a different situation in India, but here the people proposing voter identification laws are doing so in bad faith. They’re trying to make it harder to vote so elections are less fair, as opposed to making elections more fair by guaranteeing the sanctity of the individuals vote which is the position they’re pretending to be standing on.
      - asabjorn 7y ago
        To make it harder a significant number of people need to have no ID. Banking require and id [1] and 93.5% of the population is banked. Most of the remainder probably has an ID for Government services that need them such as applying for food stamps, medicare, medicaid, having a job, unemployment support and social security. In Norway, my home country, it has never been an issue in our 200 years as an independent country for anyone to get an ID to vote. And we used to be mostly dirt poor fishers and farmers that often lived in fairly isolated places.
        asabjorn 7y ago
        Forgot link of evidence that banking require ID https://www.consumerfinance.gov/ask-cfpb/can-i-get-a-checking-account-without-a-social-security-number-en-929/ https://www.consumerfinance.gov/ask-cfpb/can-i-get-a-checkin...
        codyb 7y ago
        Generally that 6.5% of unbanked persons tend not to vote for less healthcare and more tax breaks for the rich. Instituting the voter ID law makes it harder for 6.5% of people that rarely vote for Republicans to vote to prevent 0.000X% of votes cast fraudulently each election. Do you get it now?