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> hassle-free state IDs What hassle? Nearly everyone has them already for driving and they're valid for 6+ years. Might take an hour or two of your time every

by niij 7y ago

> hassle-free state IDs What hassle? Nearly everyone has them already for driving and they're valid for 6+ years. Might take an hour or two of your time every 6 or so years.

fucking_tragedy 7y ago
Or you can just send every eligible voter their voting license when they turn 18 and cut out the middleman.
- niij 7y ago
  Sounds like a good idea to me, for those without driver's license it'd provide a way to vote without the hassle of getting a non-drivers ID card. Only issues I could think of are: 1. No central registry of addresses, so how would the government know where to send the IDs. 2. Where would the photograph for the ID come from? 3. Possible fraud/abuse from stolen mail
  - fucking_tragedy 7y ago
    Other countries were able to figure it out, so can we. Voting license proponents never seem to want to send eligible voters their free voting licenses, though.
    - niij 7y ago
      > Other countries were able to figure it out, so can we I mean the solution to #1 is obvious: forced registration. I think you'll have a hard time getting people on board with passing a law for that. It just seems like an hour at the DMV would solve all 3 problems at once: provide address, current photo, and reduce fraud/abuse. Seems like a good system to me. Can you give me an example of what other country(-ies) system you're thinking about? I'm curious how it's handled elsewhere as well without the need to appear in person to get an ID.
      - omnimus 7y ago
        Sorry could you clarify... why would you need Voting Card? I mean normal state ID must be enough no? Like everyone has to have one so they can prove their age and citizenship and where they live no?
        niij 7y ago
        IDs are not mandatory at either the State or Federal level in the USA. The most common type of identification is a State driver's license, but there are also alternative non-driver license ID cards available. None of these IDs are mandatory, but are nearly required to live in modern society (open a bank account, drive a car, vote, etc).
TheCoelacanth 7y ago
Only 62% of 18 year olds have a drivers license[1]. That's not nearly enough to rely on it as a national ID. [1] https://www.statista.com/chart/18682/percentage-of-the-us-population-holding-a-drivers-license-by-age-group/ https://www.statista.com/chart/18682/percentage-of-the-us-po...
dragonwriter 7y ago
> Nearly everyone has them already for driving No, not nearly every eligible voters has one, and the distribution is significantly skewed by race and a number of other demographic factors. And more than one of the politicians pushing voter ID has been recorded in what seemed to be politically safe venues pointing to those biases as motivating factors.

by niij 7y ago

> hassle-free state IDs What hassle? Nearly everyone has them already for driving and they're valid for 6+ years. Might take an hour or two of your time every 6 or so years.

fucking_tragedy 7y ago

Or you can just send every eligible voter their voting license when they turn 18 and cut out the middleman.

niij 7y ago
Sounds like a good idea to me, for those without driver's license it'd provide a way to vote without the hassle of getting a non-drivers ID card. Only issues I could think of are: 1. No central registry of addresses, so how would the government know where to send the IDs. 2. Where would the photograph for the ID come from? 3. Possible fraud/abuse from stolen mail
- fucking_tragedy 7y ago
  Other countries were able to figure it out, so can we. Voting license proponents never seem to want to send eligible voters their free voting licenses, though.
  - niij 7y ago
    > Other countries were able to figure it out, so can we I mean the solution to #1 is obvious: forced registration. I think you'll have a hard time getting people on board with passing a law for that. It just seems like an hour at the DMV would solve all 3 problems at once: provide address, current photo, and reduce fraud/abuse. Seems like a good system to me. Can you give me an example of what other country(-ies) system you're thinking about? I'm curious how it's handled elsewhere as well without the need to appear in person to get an ID.
    - omnimus 7y ago
      Sorry could you clarify... why would you need Voting Card? I mean normal state ID must be enough no? Like everyone has to have one so they can prove their age and citizenship and where they live no?
      - niij 7y ago
        IDs are not mandatory at either the State or Federal level in the USA. The most common type of identification is a State driver's license, but there are also alternative non-driver license ID cards available. None of these IDs are mandatory, but are nearly required to live in modern society (open a bank account, drive a car, vote, etc).

TheCoelacanth 7y ago

Only 62% of 18 year olds have a drivers license[1]. That's not nearly enough to rely on it as a national ID. [1] https://www.statista.com/chart/18682/percentage-of-the-us-population-holding-a-drivers-license-by-age-group/ https://www.statista.com/chart/18682/percentage-of-the-us-po...

dragonwriter 7y ago

> Nearly everyone has them already for driving No, not nearly every eligible voters has one, and the distribution is significantly skewed by race and a number of other demographic factors. And more than one of the politicians pushing voter ID has been recorded in what seemed to be politically safe venues pointing to those biases as motivating factors.