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Poor people don't have IDs because they don't drive and don't have driver's licenses, and they don't have the work flexibility or the luxury to go to the DMV, a

Poor people don't have IDs because they don't drive and don't have driver's licenses, and they don't have the work flexibility or the luxury to go to the DMV, afaik

sverige 7y ago
This is the silliest argument against voter ID laws ever, and should be retired. [0] [1] [2] [0] https://www.vox.com/identities/2017/3/15/14909764/study-voter-id-racism https://www.vox.com/identities/2017/3/15/14909764/study-vote... [1] https://www.nytimes.com/2019/02/12/opinion/voter-id-study-republicans-democrats.html https://www.nytimes.com/2019/02/12/opinion/voter-id-study-re... [2] https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=rrBxZGWCdgs https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=rrBxZGWCdgs
- jimclegg 7y ago
  Wow this thread reeks of classism. You can't imagine an American that cannot afford $50-100 for a government I.D.? You can imagine (& possibly smell) the feces on the street but not the poor people who excrete it? We know most Americans can't come up with $400 for an emergency, are you going to act like this won't impact voting? This thread is why people are forcing diversity quotas even when it seems unnecessary, income diversity should be next.
  - asabjorn 7y ago
    You need a government ID to apply for food stamps or welfare or medicaid/social security, and to apply for unemployment or a job. It would seem like a poor person would utilize those services. Also, you need an ID to have a bank account, buy a cellphone, buy alcohol or cigarettes.
    - RandomBacon 7y ago
      > Also, you need an ID to have a bank account, buy a cellphone, buy alcohol or cigarettes. Incorrect on all three accounts in the U.S. Some states might have a law requiring ID for alcohol or cigarettes, but at least one definitely does not. Some stores actually violate their state's law with their store's ID policies. I've done all three without ID (alcohol, not cigarettes though). Yes, it is possible to have a bank account without ID.
      - asabjorn 7y ago
        > Yes, it is possible to have a bank account without ID. Where do you get that from? It seems incorrect: "You’ll need to provide a valid, government-issued photo ID, such as a driver’s license or a passport, or a state ID card from the Department of Motor Vehicles." [1] > Some states might have a law requiring ID for alcohol or cigarettes, but at least one definitely does not. Some stores actually violate their state's law with their store's ID policies. All states require you to be 21 to buy alcohol. Which states do not require you to provide ID for that? Seems like we might be splitting hairs here due to laws such as Indianas that "Indiana has a photo identification requirement for all off-premises transactions to anyone who is or reasonably appears to be less than forty (40) years of age." [3] So yes, some liquor seller might be lax on enforcement or judge you to look over 40. However, that doesn't change the laws. [1] https://www.nerdwallet.com/blog/banking/how-to-open-a-bank-account-what-you-need/ https://www.nerdwallet.com/blog/banking/how-to-open-a-bank-a... [2] https://www.consumer.ftc.gov/articles/0388-alcohol-laws-state https://www.consumer.ftc.gov/articles/0388-alcohol-laws-stat... [3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_alcohol_laws_of_the_United_States https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_alcohol_laws_of_the_Un...
        RandomBacon 7y ago
        > Where do you get that from? It seems incorrect Personal experience. I've opened bank accounts online with credit unions. Never had to show them my ID, even when I went in person to withdraw cash. If I was a third party reading these comments, I wouldn't trust a *.com website, but instead some law, or official govt website. There's a lot of things in this word that "seem wrong" but are perfectly legal.
        asabjorn 7y ago
        "To open a checking or savings account, the bank or credit union will need to verify your name, date of birth, address, and ID number. An ID number can be a social security number or an Individual Taxpayer Identification Number (ITIN). To get an ITIN, you will need to fill out a form with the Internal Revenue Service (IRS) . If you don’t have a U.S. government-issued SSN or ITIN, some banks and credit unions will accept a passport number and country of issuance, an alien identification card number, or other government-issued ID number." [1] [1] https://www.consumerfinance.gov/ask-cfpb/can-i-get-a-checking-account-without-a-social-security-number-en-929/ https://www.consumerfinance.gov/ask-cfpb/can-i-get-a-checkin...
- youeseh 7y ago
  Hey, I watched the video and found it interesting that the guy interviewed people in Berkeley and New York - places where voter suppression is not an issue. Some counterpoints: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rHFOwlMCdto https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rHFOwlMCdto
SamReidHughes 7y ago
And they definitely don't buy alcohol.
- youeseh 7y ago
  What do you think is the cost of making an additional ID? Probably 1/2 hour of work (if that), printing and mailing. So, like, a 24-pack of expensive hipster brew? $50? It costs $31 to get an ID in California, and $9 if you can't afford $31. They can afford their booze and still get an ID here, and hopefully in other states too.

Poor people don't have IDs because they don't drive and don't have driver's licenses, and they don't have the work flexibility or the luxury to go to the DMV, afaik

sverige 7y ago

This is the silliest argument against voter ID laws ever, and should be retired. [0] [1] [2] [0] https://www.vox.com/identities/2017/3/15/14909764/study-voter-id-racism https://www.vox.com/identities/2017/3/15/14909764/study-vote... [1] https://www.nytimes.com/2019/02/12/opinion/voter-id-study-republicans-democrats.html https://www.nytimes.com/2019/02/12/opinion/voter-id-study-re... [2] https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=rrBxZGWCdgs https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=rrBxZGWCdgs

jimclegg 7y ago
Wow this thread reeks of classism. You can't imagine an American that cannot afford $50-100 for a government I.D.? You can imagine (& possibly smell) the feces on the street but not the poor people who excrete it? We know most Americans can't come up with $400 for an emergency, are you going to act like this won't impact voting? This thread is why people are forcing diversity quotas even when it seems unnecessary, income diversity should be next.
- asabjorn 7y ago
  You need a government ID to apply for food stamps or welfare or medicaid/social security, and to apply for unemployment or a job. It would seem like a poor person would utilize those services. Also, you need an ID to have a bank account, buy a cellphone, buy alcohol or cigarettes.
  - RandomBacon 7y ago
    > Also, you need an ID to have a bank account, buy a cellphone, buy alcohol or cigarettes. Incorrect on all three accounts in the U.S. Some states might have a law requiring ID for alcohol or cigarettes, but at least one definitely does not. Some stores actually violate their state's law with their store's ID policies. I've done all three without ID (alcohol, not cigarettes though). Yes, it is possible to have a bank account without ID.
    - asabjorn 7y ago
      > Yes, it is possible to have a bank account without ID. Where do you get that from? It seems incorrect: "You’ll need to provide a valid, government-issued photo ID, such as a driver’s license or a passport, or a state ID card from the Department of Motor Vehicles." [1] > Some states might have a law requiring ID for alcohol or cigarettes, but at least one definitely does not. Some stores actually violate their state's law with their store's ID policies. All states require you to be 21 to buy alcohol. Which states do not require you to provide ID for that? Seems like we might be splitting hairs here due to laws such as Indianas that "Indiana has a photo identification requirement for all off-premises transactions to anyone who is or reasonably appears to be less than forty (40) years of age." [3] So yes, some liquor seller might be lax on enforcement or judge you to look over 40. However, that doesn't change the laws. [1] https://www.nerdwallet.com/blog/banking/how-to-open-a-bank-account-what-you-need/ https://www.nerdwallet.com/blog/banking/how-to-open-a-bank-a... [2] https://www.consumer.ftc.gov/articles/0388-alcohol-laws-state https://www.consumer.ftc.gov/articles/0388-alcohol-laws-stat... [3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_alcohol_laws_of_the_United_States https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_alcohol_laws_of_the_Un...
      - RandomBacon 7y ago
        > Where do you get that from? It seems incorrect Personal experience. I've opened bank accounts online with credit unions. Never had to show them my ID, even when I went in person to withdraw cash. If I was a third party reading these comments, I wouldn't trust a *.com website, but instead some law, or official govt website. There's a lot of things in this word that "seem wrong" but are perfectly legal.
        asabjorn 7y ago
        "To open a checking or savings account, the bank or credit union will need to verify your name, date of birth, address, and ID number. An ID number can be a social security number or an Individual Taxpayer Identification Number (ITIN). To get an ITIN, you will need to fill out a form with the Internal Revenue Service (IRS) . If you don’t have a U.S. government-issued SSN or ITIN, some banks and credit unions will accept a passport number and country of issuance, an alien identification card number, or other government-issued ID number." [1] [1] https://www.consumerfinance.gov/ask-cfpb/can-i-get-a-checking-account-without-a-social-security-number-en-929/ https://www.consumerfinance.gov/ask-cfpb/can-i-get-a-checkin...
youeseh 7y ago
Hey, I watched the video and found it interesting that the guy interviewed people in Berkeley and New York - places where voter suppression is not an issue. Some counterpoints: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rHFOwlMCdto https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rHFOwlMCdto

SamReidHughes 7y ago

And they definitely don't buy alcohol.

youeseh 7y ago
What do you think is the cost of making an additional ID? Probably 1/2 hour of work (if that), printing and mailing. So, like, a 24-pack of expensive hipster brew? $50? It costs $31 to get an ID in California, and $9 if you can't afford $31. They can afford their booze and still get an ID here, and hopefully in other states too.