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While meditating, when did you choose to stop? I am guessing that having a timer is a big no-no, hehe.

by sedeki 7y ago

Hammershaft 7y ago
Having a timer is excellent because it keeps you from having to constantly utilize your attention to consider how long you have been sitting and how much longer you should sit.
- codr7 7y ago
  While I can see the logic there, I would strongly recommend against alarms. The deeper you go, the more sensitive you become. Being pulled out abruptly is very uncomfortable, to the point where knowing what's coming will stand in the way of even trying. I would say sit as long as you feel like it, except that doesn't really help initially. Maybe put on a non-intrusive background track that fades out when time is up? And do take your time when coming back; start by listening, then opening the eyes slowly etc. Same goes for waking up from regular sleep, but refusing alarms in this society is a pretty serious compromise.
  - sedeki 7y ago
    To sit as long as long as I feel like is not very informative as I don’t know what I am looking for when meditating. On another note, I have spent a good deal self-reflecting more or less alone in the dark with me and my thoughts. From what I understand on some parts of the web, this pretty much equates to ”meditation”. While others describe it differently. I guess I could download HeadSpace and be more explicit about it, but I do anyway think I have derived some mental benefits from the above behavior. Like, being more comfortable with myself. But I don’t think I am doing meditation since I don’t get all benefits as actual meditators. Just as a reference to the OP of this thread, about being able to distinguish oneself from the voices in one’s head... I think there are more benefits in meditation.
    - chachachoney 7y ago
      >> On another note, I have spent a good deal self-reflecting more or less alone in the dark with me and my thoughts. Two phrases that have been very relevant to my practice: "Being lost in thought is the opposite of concentration." "Lost in thought is not meditation." The above is not meant to imply that there aren't benefits to spending time lost in thought.
    - codr7 7y ago
      What you're looking for is awareness, to be right here right now and observe what's going on inside. If you're like most people, you spend most of your time lost in thoughts that you didn't actively choose. The first step is to realize that is the case, which is very difficult in the middle of the storm; hence the sitting down with closed eyes.
      - sedeki 7y ago
        Thank you - this comment was helpful.
    - nprateem 7y ago
      I've read a lot of books on meditation. Without doubt, the clearest and easiest to understand for me was "The Yoga of Consciousness: 25 Direct Practices to Enlightenment" [1]. Well worth it to understand how to do awareness-based meditation and how it can fit into a broader set of practices. [1] https://www.amazon.co.uk/Yoga-Consciousness-Practices-Enlightenment-Self-Realization-ebook/dp/B07D7DMFN6/ https://www.amazon.co.uk/Yoga-Consciousness-Practices-Enligh...
      - jkp56 7y ago
        IIRC, the canonical book is "The [10] sravaka levels" but it hasn't been translated to English. However the most important parts from that book were incorporated by tsong-kha-pa into lam-rim - another canonical book which has been mostly translated into English.
  - only_aos 7y ago
    I disagree. I highly recommend a timer, but rather than an alarm, use something like a quiet bell. I use the Insight Timer app, but just without all the social aspects that come with it. Sitting as long as you feel like is not beneficial, because most of the actual work will happen when you start to notice your agitation and at that point is when you will just want to get off the cushion. Stick through it, and watch that agitation and your monkey mind go crazy, until the end of the timer. I recommend starting with a short timer, 10 minutes, then slowly increase the time.
    - scns 7y ago
      There is a great App on fdroid called Meditation Assistant
- inimino 7y ago
  You do have an internal clock, should you choose to "turn it on". Source: have not owned or used an alarm clock in ~20 years.
kylek 7y ago
When I was done :) this took a while to figure out too. You can always go "deeper" but what I've experienced are "thresholds" or "steps". Once I felt I "graduated" to a point, it felt like a nice place to marinate for a while (knowing fully well that it was one plateau of many), and would take a whole lot more effort (lack of effort?) to get further. By that time I'd have cleared out enough junk to get me through the day. I really don't know that I'm using the right terms here (and they definitely vary by tradition), but in my reading (again, nothing serious, lots of wikipedia and a few books on different modalities) these thresholds are described as different "states of absorption". I don't know if it is actually what I was experiencing, but descriptions the first/second jhana states seemed very apt at the time (when I was researching/testing this out for myself). (In traditional Jnana yoga there are 7 or 8 states, the highest ones are brushing on the nirvana state). (I can't stress how much I'm butchering this, I am but a student!)
cgag 7y ago
Not a no-no at all as far as I know. It was explicitly recommended in The Mind Illuminated. It just needs to be an alarm that you'll hear when it's done so you don't have to devote any attention to it, you just focus on meditating until it goes off.
avtar 7y ago
Having a timer is a really common practice. Try a search for "meditation timer" on the Apple or Google app stores.
crucialfelix 7y ago
I use a timer set for 30 minutes. Almost every time I know exactly when the gong will ring. It's very strange.

While meditating, when did you choose to stop? I am guessing that having a timer is a big no-no, hehe.

by sedeki 7y ago

While meditating, when did you choose to stop? I am guessing that having a timer is a big no-no, hehe.

Having a timer is excellent because it keeps you from having to constantly utilize your attention to consider how long you have been sitting and how much longer you should sit.

codr7 7y ago
While I can see the logic there, I would strongly recommend against alarms. The deeper you go, the more sensitive you become. Being pulled out abruptly is very uncomfortable, to the point where knowing what's coming will stand in the way of even trying. I would say sit as long as you feel like it, except that doesn't really help initially. Maybe put on a non-intrusive background track that fades out when time is up? And do take your time when coming back; start by listening, then opening the eyes slowly etc. Same goes for waking up from regular sleep, but refusing alarms in this society is a pretty serious compromise.
- sedeki 7y ago
  To sit as long as long as I feel like is not very informative as I don’t know what I am looking for when meditating. On another note, I have spent a good deal self-reflecting more or less alone in the dark with me and my thoughts. From what I understand on some parts of the web, this pretty much equates to ”meditation”. While others describe it differently. I guess I could download HeadSpace and be more explicit about it, but I do anyway think I have derived some mental benefits from the above behavior. Like, being more comfortable with myself. But I don’t think I am doing meditation since I don’t get all benefits as actual meditators. Just as a reference to the OP of this thread, about being able to distinguish oneself from the voices in one’s head... I think there are more benefits in meditation.
  - chachachoney 7y ago
    >> On another note, I have spent a good deal self-reflecting more or less alone in the dark with me and my thoughts. Two phrases that have been very relevant to my practice: "Being lost in thought is the opposite of concentration." "Lost in thought is not meditation." The above is not meant to imply that there aren't benefits to spending time lost in thought.
  - codr7 7y ago
    What you're looking for is awareness, to be right here right now and observe what's going on inside. If you're like most people, you spend most of your time lost in thoughts that you didn't actively choose. The first step is to realize that is the case, which is very difficult in the middle of the storm; hence the sitting down with closed eyes.
    - sedeki 7y ago
      Thank you - this comment was helpful.
  - nprateem 7y ago
    I've read a lot of books on meditation. Without doubt, the clearest and easiest to understand for me was "The Yoga of Consciousness: 25 Direct Practices to Enlightenment" [1]. Well worth it to understand how to do awareness-based meditation and how it can fit into a broader set of practices. [1] https://www.amazon.co.uk/Yoga-Consciousness-Practices-Enlightenment-Self-Realization-ebook/dp/B07D7DMFN6/ https://www.amazon.co.uk/Yoga-Consciousness-Practices-Enligh...
    - jkp56 7y ago
      IIRC, the canonical book is "The [10] sravaka levels" but it hasn't been translated to English. However the most important parts from that book were incorporated by tsong-kha-pa into lam-rim - another canonical book which has been mostly translated into English.
- only_aos 7y ago
  I disagree. I highly recommend a timer, but rather than an alarm, use something like a quiet bell. I use the Insight Timer app, but just without all the social aspects that come with it. Sitting as long as you feel like is not beneficial, because most of the actual work will happen when you start to notice your agitation and at that point is when you will just want to get off the cushion. Stick through it, and watch that agitation and your monkey mind go crazy, until the end of the timer. I recommend starting with a short timer, 10 minutes, then slowly increase the time.
  - scns 7y ago
    There is a great App on fdroid called Meditation Assistant
inimino 7y ago
You do have an internal clock, should you choose to "turn it on". Source: have not owned or used an alarm clock in ~20 years.

kylek 7y ago

When I was done :) this took a while to figure out too. You can always go "deeper" but what I've experienced are "thresholds" or "steps". Once I felt I "graduated" to a point, it felt like a nice place to marinate for a while (knowing fully well that it was one plateau of many), and would take a whole lot more effort (lack of effort?) to get further. By that time I'd have cleared out enough junk to get me through the day. I really don't know that I'm using the right terms here (and they definitely vary by tradition), but in my reading (again, nothing serious, lots of wikipedia and a few books on different modalities) these thresholds are described as different "states of absorption". I don't know if it is actually what I was experiencing, but descriptions the first/second jhana states seemed very apt at the time (when I was researching/testing this out for myself). (In traditional Jnana yoga there are 7 or 8 states, the highest ones are brushing on the nirvana state). (I can't stress how much I'm butchering this, I am but a student!)

cgag 7y ago

Not a no-no at all as far as I know. It was explicitly recommended in The Mind Illuminated. It just needs to be an alarm that you'll hear when it's done so you don't have to devote any attention to it, you just focus on meditating until it goes off.

avtar 7y ago

Having a timer is a really common practice. Try a search for "meditation timer" on the Apple or Google app stores.

crucialfelix 7y ago

I use a timer set for 30 minutes. Almost every time I know exactly when the gong will ring. It's very strange.