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Billions of birds dead, insect apocalypse, amphibian populations decimated, etc... But yeah people are just being alarmist, it's the end of the world and I feel

Billions of birds dead, insect apocalypse, amphibian populations decimated, etc... But yeah people are just being alarmist, it's the end of the world and I feel fine.

perl4ever 7y ago
The thing is just that people continually present opinions that require numbers in proper context to validate, but seemingly reject the concept that numbers in context are socially appropriate, at all.
- dwaltrip 7y ago
  We have enough context for the numbers. Taken in context, the numbers paint a very expensive picture economically (trillions and trillions of dollars), as well as a grave tale of unnecessary suffering for many tens of millions of people, if not more.
  - perl4ever 7y ago
    Suffering is necessary; I don't subscribe to the belief that it's somehow due as the wages of original sin, but to suffer and die is the fate of every human being. Not tens of millions, but all of the billions that have ever existed; not one has ever escaped it. And money is an abstraction. You could eliminate trillions and trillions just by hacking the systems that keep track of who has how much. What I'm trying to say is not that the consequences of climate change aren't grave, but that without mentioning specific numbers and their relationship to other numbers that describe reality, and researching and choosing those in good faith, you are saying nothing.
    - dwaltrip 7y ago
      Not all suffering is necessary. Much potential suffering that climate change may cause is understood and avoidable, if we take action. If you want actual numbers and the relevant context, perhaps you could read the IPCC report.
- devoply 7y ago
  Do they really require numbers though? Do you really need numbers in order to have an opinion that agrees with science. My opinion goes like this, the majority of scientists are saying X is a problem, it's very likely that it is a problem. So global warming is a problem. Mass extinction of insects, birds, amphibians, and mammals is a problem, etc.

Billions of birds dead, insect apocalypse, amphibian populations decimated, etc... But yeah people are just being alarmist, it's the end of the world and I feel fine.

perl4ever 7y ago

The thing is just that people continually present opinions that require numbers in proper context to validate, but seemingly reject the concept that numbers in context are socially appropriate, at all.

dwaltrip 7y ago
We have enough context for the numbers. Taken in context, the numbers paint a very expensive picture economically (trillions and trillions of dollars), as well as a grave tale of unnecessary suffering for many tens of millions of people, if not more.
- perl4ever 7y ago
  Suffering is necessary; I don't subscribe to the belief that it's somehow due as the wages of original sin, but to suffer and die is the fate of every human being. Not tens of millions, but all of the billions that have ever existed; not one has ever escaped it. And money is an abstraction. You could eliminate trillions and trillions just by hacking the systems that keep track of who has how much. What I'm trying to say is not that the consequences of climate change aren't grave, but that without mentioning specific numbers and their relationship to other numbers that describe reality, and researching and choosing those in good faith, you are saying nothing.
  - dwaltrip 7y ago
    Not all suffering is necessary. Much potential suffering that climate change may cause is understood and avoidable, if we take action. If you want actual numbers and the relevant context, perhaps you could read the IPCC report.
devoply 7y ago
Do they really require numbers though? Do you really need numbers in order to have an opinion that agrees with science. My opinion goes like this, the majority of scientists are saying X is a problem, it's very likely that it is a problem. So global warming is a problem. Mass extinction of insects, birds, amphibians, and mammals is a problem, etc.