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I don't know if I'd like to work in a place like that. Wouldn't you get lazy after a couple of years? Doesn't this create incentives to deliberately work more s
by mszcz 7y ago
I don't know if I'd like to work in a place like that. Wouldn't you get lazy after a couple of years? Doesn't this create incentives to deliberately work more slowly?
After a couple of more years like that wouldn't you get used to not doing much and then get slaughtered when inevitable change came around?
My friend referred to this kind of situation as "being in an ass" ;) Yeah, from time to time there's a smell but it's always warm, comfy and soft ;P
- kingkawn 7y agoThis seems like a masochistic justification for being exploited by employers
- mszcz 7y agoYeah, well, you might be onto something here. I've been told I've not acted in my own self interest a couple of times before :P
- OldFatCactus 7y agoYou would get lazy having a 40 hour work week and 2 weeks paid vacation?
- mszcz 7y agoNo way. Unpaid overtime sucks. Burnout sucks. What I meant was that that USPS job description sounded to me like a cushy, untouchable asshole replying to emails passive aggressively every other day from 1200-1235hrs. I'm not for exploiting people if that's what you mean. Sorry if that wasn't clear.
- onion2k 7y agoAssuming someone's job is easy, without knowing much about it, and therefore believing they must lazy isn't a good look.
- mszcz 7y agoWell, I'm just drawing from my own experience here. Usually when I worked with people that behaved that way it turned out that that behaviour steemed from their untouchable-ish status. Is it possible that someone behaving that way has legitimate reasons to do so? Sure. I mean I've been wrong before :P It's that I (personal experience, anecdata) didn't encounter many situations like that is all.
- SomeOldThrow 7y agoIdk about you, but I don’t work hard out of fear of losing my job. I do it for the respect of my coworkers more than anything. It’s totally viable to be lazy in a non-union job too.
- mszcz 7y agoSure thing. It's just that that USPS job performance description didn't really sound all that respectful of your coworkers is what I'm sayin'. If some employer is taking advantage of you you should quit. I do understand that not everyone is in a position to say 'fuck you' to a person/entity that's taking advantage of him/her and that that's a situation a union can help in.
- Apocryphon 7y ago> Wouldn't you get lazy after a couple of years? Doesn't this create incentives to deliberately work more slowly? Maybe without unpaid overtime and burnout, developers will finally have the chance to contribute to open source and side projects that recruiters are always looking for.
- scarejunba 7y agoI guess we can test that. How many USPS developers are open source mavens? EDIT: Did I misunderstand a joke or something? Doesn't seem like I said anything particularly controversial.
- mszcz 7y agoWhoa whoa I'm not sayin people should be treated like shit. Just that that USPS example didn't really look all that good. Burnout sucks and being exploited sucks. I'm all for unlimited sick days, being compensated for all the work and time you put in, getting the benefits that you're guaranteed by law etc. In exchange for that I sure would expect the employer to expect me performing well. Quid pro quo. The USPS example didn't imply that imho.
- paulie_a 7y agoIt enforces the 40 hours a week. That's the job you are paid for. Working 16 hours a day..7 days a week is not lazy. It's a recipe for burn out. Working hard for the 40 is what is expected and should be exactly that. You pay me for 40 I'll give you 40 You want 80 then you pay me for 80
- throwaway1777 7y agoFacebook and Google certainly pay for 80 then. The average senior engineer there definitely makes at least double what someone at USPS IT does...
- mszcz 7y agoI don't think working 80 is either sustainable or even possible for that matter. My wife was on an assignment in South Korea and she experienced the 16 hour work days there. No one even blinked when you tried calling your colleagues at 11:00pm. However, what my wife noticed is that most of the people working those hours seemd drousy, unfocused and inattentive. It boggles my mind how either of the sides of that work contract can think that that kind of situation is beneficial for either of the sides in any imaginable way...
- asjw 7y agoYou get lazy when you get so tired you can't work anymore. Even sled dogs owners give them plenty of rest or they stop doing a good job and you think it would hurt human performances?
- 9HZZRfNlpR 7y agoDon't you guys have families over there? How do you raise your children if you enjoy those crazy hours? Even 40 is too much, I actually want to see, enjoy and teach my children while they grow up. Time goes by incredibly fast.