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The painfully obvious answer is that the work is low skill. Why? Because the job market in the Bay Area is such that high skilled labor can easily and quickly f
by dev_dull 7y ago
The painfully obvious answer is that the work is low skill. Why? Because the job market in the Bay Area is such that high skilled labor can easily and quickly find more gainful employment.
It doesn’t make it better for them to earn less, and a union is one way to group high and low skill labor pool such as the whole can have a better quality of life.
- goatinaboat 7y agoThe painfully obvious answer is that the work is low skill No, that isn’t obvious at all. Well it probably is relatively low skill for programming - because it’s HCL - but the reason it’s that low because this is indentured labour. Wipro, Tata even IBM are all in the same game.
- youeseh 7y agoThis is not true. There are a large number of contractors working at Google, Facebook and other companies in engineering and other skilled roles. Their contracts are from 3 to 6 months long. If you're in a bind and need a job, you get placed quickly by one of the firms supplying contractors to the large companies. Since you're in a bind, you accept making a lower salary, which ends up being around 60-75% of the base salary of a full-time employee without any of the other benefits of being full-time.
- denormalfloat 7y agoThere are more than 100k TVCs at Google. I don't think you can speak generally about them, because there is high diversity in their job roles.
- 0xffff2 7y agoI mean this in the least pejorative way possible, but not all software engineering positions are skilled labor, especially at Google’s scale.
- tyingq 7y agoLooks like IT analyst work: https://www.indeed.com/q-Hcl-America-Google-jobs.html https://www.indeed.com/q-Hcl-America-Google-jobs.html
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- erikpukinskis 7y agoIf you’re talking about programming... the reason programmers (of a certain sort) are paid a lot in the Bay Area is not because they are vastly “higher” skilled than other people. The average chef in the Bay Area is WAY more skilled than all but the most skilled coders. There are two reasons why programmers (of a certain sort) make so much money: 1) It’s an area of speculation, how much revenue can such people produce? Because it’s well known that some white male programmers will make a fuckton of revenue happen, the rest of us get higher wages in the “glow” of that. There’s not a cultural belief among capitalists that black women programmers, or talented chefs, are making “unicorn money” happen so there’s no glow there. 2) There are a ton of programmers who won a lottery of having that skill in a time when it was going to make you rich. That’s no longer true, there is more competition now and just being a coder in a position of privilege is not enough.... but there are now a big number of rich white male programmers in the Bay Area who are trying to “do it again” and so they are showering money on other programmers who remind them of themselves. It’s a halo of money. It will disappear soon. It’s not based on skill. If you’re making it—good job... get that money. You may even be highly skilled, in which case—good job. That’s impressive. But don’t think your skills have anything to do with why other people aren’t making the same money as you.
- corebit 7y agoWhoa! Talk about an overtly racist post! How is this not flagged?!
- wind0w 7y agoCriticizing how white men use their whiteness to preserve their exclusive access to money and power isn't racist
- burntoutfire 7y agoIsn't any blanket (and negative) statement about any race racist?
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- skwirl 7y ago>It doesn’t make it better for them to earn less, and a union is one way to group high and low skill labor pool such as the whole can have a better quality of life. It is definitely better for some workers to make more than other workers. Is this really part of the argument in favor of unions? I always thought this was an anti-union straw man argument.