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The Essential Tool for Hong Kong Protesters? An Umbrella
- isostatic 7y agoTerrible GDPR page - not clear if you’re answering “yes” or “no” Why do websites insist on the most terrible custom designs? What’s wrong with “input type=checkbox”?
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- capableweb 7y agoThe "not clear if you’re answering “yes” or “no”" part is the entire point of the deliberately poor design. See https://www.darkpatterns.org/ https://www.darkpatterns.org/ for more examples
- jpxw 7y agoTbh they’d probably get more people to answer “yes” if they made the “yes” very clear. Most people just blindly press whatever looks like yes. The dark pattern would have the opposite effect in this case imo.
- dhimes 7y agoHaha I didn't know they made a verb out of Zuckerberg's name.
- Operyl 7y agoI love that video. It was a great little example video about dark patterns .. and then we get to the end and it’s got a freaking NordVPN ad (not ad network, but actually spoken). Hahahahahahahahahaha.
- chloerei 7y agoand trekking poles, knives and petrol bombs.
- abbracadabbra 7y ago> Chinese e-commerce sites like Taobao and AliExpress no longer sell them to customers in Hong Kong Impressive coordination of public & private bureaucracies
- igammarays 7y agoMaybe because they’re one and the same?
- lvturner 7y agoA cursory glance indicates I am perfectly able to buy an umbrella from Ali express in Hong Kong - didn't go all the way through the purchase however. I do somewhat question the reliability of the source in this instance.
- milquetoastaf 7y ago>didn't go all the way through the purchase however So you didn't actually buy it? lol. reread what you wrote
- jellicle 7y agoSome more information on the subject: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-08-18/china-e-commerce-sites-block-sales-of-protest-gear-to-hong-kong https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-08-18/china-e-c... https://bitterwinter.org/bans-on-shipment-of-goods-imposed-to-curb-protests/ https://bitterwinter.org/bans-on-shipment-of-goods-imposed-t...
- dear 7y agoImpressive coordination of public bureaucracies & state owned enterprises.
- __m 7y agoNot really, it's more impressive to block whole countries (not just your own) to do business with Iran for example.
- paulcarroty 7y agoRemember 2014, Kyiv, Maidan. We actively used a push-to-talk mobile app Zello. Cheap used mobile phone, burner sim-card without id, and you're on the way. Also many people used whatsapp, Facebook was very liberal to UA protesters. "Winter on fire", Netflix, highly recommend. Of course times changing, and heard now Zello is affiliated with Russian government.
- WilTimSon 7y agoYeah, but there are new options. I've seen Telegram and Briar both listed as options that the Hong Kong protesters have used. When a company sells out to the state, it's time to switch to another one. Briar, in particular, was made specifically for dissidents and protesters.
- Avamander 7y agoPeople should seriously consider Keybase with it's non-required use of a phone number and strong encryption in every chat. I'm not in any way affiliated with them but I just don't like Telegram suggested with it's unaudited homebrewn crypto and Russian roots.
- deepsun 7y agoCrypto that's not "on" by default.
- avar 7y ago> “If you compare the umbrella with the weapon the others are using to attack us, the umbrella is nothing for that. Actually, umbrellas are really easily broken and we only use it to protect ourselves.” Are umbrellas in China just really light and flimsy? I've had a lot of umbrellas heavy and sturdy enough to do some serious damage if I were so inclined.
- isostatic 7y agoCompared to British umbrellas. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tukQDg22o9M https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tukQDg22o9M
- tikumo 7y agoThat video screen on the inside of the umbrella could be made with some portable beamer projecting it, would be cool to have in a storm so you could see oncoming traffic haha
- crystalsforme 7y agoYou know, there are transparent umbrellas out there...
- dqpb 7y agoNice. The physics are a little off though.
- isostatic 7y agoLondon Clay
- tikumo 7y agoNext year on AliExpress, weaponized umbrella's
- crystalsforme 7y agoYeah, they will shock the user if opened in a protest area.
- boyadjian 7y agoAll those people who protest ... They protest against what ? In France, we have the "Gilets Jaunes", who also protest, there is also the young people who protest against climate change. They protest, and they go nowhere ...
- xwolfi 7y agoHonestly, right now, the "unfairness of life" is the closest to a coherent message I can interpret from their "movement". It was really a tense and passionate debate 2 months ago, but now many of us just roll our eyes at the latest news, like when they shave people who clean the streets, burn an MTR station, cry in a foreign country they need to be "freed", and the like...
- trevyn 7y agoIs the message closer to “we reject the terms of the social contract that we’re being offered”?
- barkxyz 7y agoSeems a little bit unfair not to mention the five demands in this context: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/aug/13/what-do-the-hong-kong-protesters-want https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/aug/13/what-do-the-ho... If you really want to "interpret" the message of their movement, that would seem like a good place to start.
- 77546throw 7y agoI’m actually surprised by how professional the police are acting. The protesters are throwing Molotovs and yet no one has been killed. After 2 months of riots, the police have been very reserved in there actions compared to other SWAT happy countries.
- milquetoastaf 7y agoYou can literally google "hong kong protest demands" https://www.cnn.com/2019/08/13/asia/hong-kong-airport-protest-explained-hnk-intl/index.html https://www.cnn.com/2019/08/13/asia/hong-kong-airport-protes... >As the protest movement is leaderless, not everyone has the same goals in mind. But in general, five main demands have emerged: withdraw the bill, for leader Carrie Lam to step down, an inquiry into police brutality, for those who have been arrested to be released, and greater democratic freedoms.
- terenceng2010 7y agoFollowing the Be water thinking, ppl start to have no specific items or clothes to represent themselves now. So the essential tool would be the determination to live in this city with courage, hope, dignity and helping each other in a crisis created by no one but the government. This government has lost all its credibility within a hundred day, which is impressive in a way I guess? I don’t think HK will be totally recovered when CCP continues to intervene. The damage has be made, and the scar will always be there.
- 77546throw 7y ago>...and the scar will always be there. Will it? I think over time, people will forget. When the British colonized Hong Kong, they were especially brutal to the protestors. During the protests in the late 1960s, the British controlled police killed over 50 protesters. Yet today, the protesters are wishing for the British to intervene.
- bobthepanda 7y agoIt’s worth noting that after the 1960s protests, Britain made laissez-faire policy official and economic growth skyrocketed, creating lasting social changes that were beneficial for boosting living standards. To win the hearts and minds of Hong Kongers, Beijing needs to either give people the power to dismantle an economy strangled by property tycoons (e.g. electing a chief executive with actual power) or do it itself, and neither is permissible. China will never let a territory it controls have unfettered universal suffrage, and the mainland itself is turning into the conglomerate/tycoon economy that now restricts Hong Kong. Which is a great deal of irony for a party that started riots over working conditions in the 1960s.
- terenceng2010 7y agoOne thing I learnt from playing walking dead - the game is that citizen will remember your decision. New york time has the 1967 riot covered by interviewing a old lady in her 90s. And I think she mentioned a good point, is that power leads to corruption. So in general, how democracy work, how tools like tech like Telegram may lead to a leader-less way of governence, is quite interesting. https://cn.nytimes.com/china/20190920/hongkong-north-point-1967-riot/zh-hant https://cn.nytimes.com/china/20190920/hongkong-north-point-1... (not sure if english version is available)
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- pcmaffey 7y agoTo be remembered as the Umbrella Revolution.
- mrfusion 7y agoAnyone have a quick summary for the paywalled folks?
- squeezingswirls 7y agohttps://web.archive.org/web/20190920083048/https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/2019-hong-kong-protesters-umbrellas/ https://web.archive.org/web/20190920083048/https://www.bloom...
- vnchr 7y agoAre there any interesting startups specifically focused on protest technology?
- ignoramous 7y agoNot protest-tech per se, but Alphabet's Jigsaw [0] has an impressive collection of opensource tools they themselves built. And the usual suspects (a few are not startups): the guardianproject [1], lantern-vpn [2], the tor-project [3], freedom-box [4], matrix [5], GNU Jami [6], letsencrypt, grapheneos [7], signal [8], freedom.press [9] ivpn / pia / mulluvad et al. [0] https://jigsaw.google.com https://jigsaw.google.com [1] https://guardianproject.info https://guardianproject.info [2] https://getlantern.org https://getlantern.org [3] https://torproject.org https://torproject.org [4] https://freedomboxfoundation.org https://freedomboxfoundation.org [5] https://matrix.org https://matrix.org [6] https://jami.net https://jami.net [7] https://grapheneos.org https://grapheneos.org [8] https://signal.org https://signal.org [9] https://freedom.press https://freedom.press
- idlewords 7y agoProtest is not a technology problem
- gbuk2013 7y agoMakes me think of this: https://unbreakableumbrella.com/product/unbreakable-walking-stick-umbrella-model-u-115/ https://unbreakableumbrella.com/product/unbreakable-walking-... I own one and it’s a great umbrella that I have only ever used for conventional purposes. :) Now I just need to learn this Kunfgu set ... https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=uWtZmKrENDE https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=uWtZmKrENDE
- seandoe 7y agoWhat's the most effective way to support the Hong Kong protesters/people?
- Leary 7y agohttps://www.change.org/p/international-court-of-justice-request-international-court-of-justice-to-investigate-excessive-force-of-hong-kong-police https://www.change.org/p/international-court-of-justice-requ... https://www.change.org/p/the-grand-chancery-of-the-legion-of-honor-revoke-hong-kong-chief-executive-carrie-lam-s-legion-of-honor-distinction-19c4dc0e-f0ca-433a-9496-08e6705dbdeb https://www.change.org/p/the-grand-chancery-of-the-legion-of... https://www.change.org/p/international-police-association-reporting-misconduct-of-hong-kong-police-force-during-the-protest-in-hong-kong?recruiter=false&utm_source=share_petition&utm_medium=twitter&utm_campaign=psf_combo_share_message&utm_term=share_petition&recruited_by_id=4e0f5610-c6bc-11e9-8ef7-4d89fc670684&share_bandit_exp=message-16946662-en-US&share_bandit_var=v3 https://www.change.org/p/international-police-association-re... https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/244402 https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/244402 https://www.pori.hk/donation https://www.pori.hk/donation
- seandoe 7y agoThis is great, thank you.
- secfirstmd 7y agoPart of the inspiration for us building Umbrella: a free, open source app with advice on how activists can deal with protests, arrests, surveillance and communication. It's available in multiple languages, including Chinese. (More information at https://www.secfirst.org https://www.secfirst.org) iOS: https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/umbrella-security/id1453715310 https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/umbrella-security/id14537153... Android: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=org.secfirst.umbrella https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=org.secfirst.u...
- tptacek 7y agoSee Zeynep Tufekci's Twitter thread on Rory Byrne, who you Do Not Want To Be. https://twitter.com/zeynep/status/1169323269297717248 https://twitter.com/zeynep/status/1169323269297717248
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