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Really? The gap isn’t that much, about $2200 looking at a before subsidy price. And the interior of the korean EVS are pretty cheap compared to the model 3, so

by novok 7y ago

Really? The gap isn’t that much, about $2200 looking at a before subsidy price. And the interior of the korean EVS are pretty cheap compared to the model 3, so if tesla wanted to they could make a tesla that uses cheap materials and doesn’t ship with special sensors. Call it the model 1. What holds me back is more a unknown / bad record of reliability with tesla and a lack of charging infrastructure in apartments for me.

clouddrover 7y ago
> so if tesla wanted to they could make a tesla that uses cheap materials and doesn’t ship with special sensors. Call it the model 1. Could they? So why don't they? The 35k Model 3 didn't go too well. Why will this Model 1 do better for Tesla? It's difficult to target multiple segments simultaneously. You need the scale of a company like Volkswagen to do it successfully. Tesla is headed for a decision point on the kind of car company they want to be. They'll probably choose to stay low volume: https://www.thedrive.com/tech/29960/teslas-hero-cycle-leads-to-nrburgring-confrontation-with-itself https://www.thedrive.com/tech/29960/teslas-hero-cycle-leads-...
- novok 7y ago
  The reason why is because they were not targeting creating a low end bog standard plastic cheap car that the kona represents for the model 3. The cabin differences would have to be too big to deliver it as a trim. Technologically I would see the model 1 being mostly the same platform as the model 3 with a cabin expressly designed for cheapness everywhere. So standard handles, standard ac, a 2 din stereo, everything plastic, only mirrors and cloth and no power seats. Kind of like the iphone xr with aluminum and an LCD. Make a platform variation is not that difficult. That would make it bridge the gap and probably beat the kona price wise
  - clouddrover 7y ago
    > The cabin differences would have to be too big to deliver it as a trim. So it's too difficult for Tesla to deliver. You agree with me: Hyundai's got Tesla beat on range at the price point. > That would make it bridge the gap and probably beat the kona price wise "Probably" is not a practical reality. The car you're talking about doesn't exist. The Kona EV, the Niro EV, and the Soul EV do exist. Hyundai is ahead here.

by novok 7y ago

clouddrover 7y ago

> so if tesla wanted to they could make a tesla that uses cheap materials and doesn’t ship with special sensors. Call it the model 1. Could they? So why don't they? The 35k Model 3 didn't go too well. Why will this Model 1 do better for Tesla? It's difficult to target multiple segments simultaneously. You need the scale of a company like Volkswagen to do it successfully. Tesla is headed for a decision point on the kind of car company they want to be. They'll probably choose to stay low volume: https://www.thedrive.com/tech/29960/teslas-hero-cycle-leads-to-nrburgring-confrontation-with-itself https://www.thedrive.com/tech/29960/teslas-hero-cycle-leads-...

novok 7y ago
The reason why is because they were not targeting creating a low end bog standard plastic cheap car that the kona represents for the model 3. The cabin differences would have to be too big to deliver it as a trim. Technologically I would see the model 1 being mostly the same platform as the model 3 with a cabin expressly designed for cheapness everywhere. So standard handles, standard ac, a 2 din stereo, everything plastic, only mirrors and cloth and no power seats. Kind of like the iphone xr with aluminum and an LCD. Make a platform variation is not that difficult. That would make it bridge the gap and probably beat the kona price wise
- clouddrover 7y ago
  > The cabin differences would have to be too big to deliver it as a trim. So it's too difficult for Tesla to deliver. You agree with me: Hyundai's got Tesla beat on range at the price point. > That would make it bridge the gap and probably beat the kona price wise "Probably" is not a practical reality. The car you're talking about doesn't exist. The Kona EV, the Niro EV, and the Soul EV do exist. Hyundai is ahead here.