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> A world with greatly reduced air travel is a more insular and less understanding world. I don't think there is an evidence for that. It is more likely that i

by js8 7y ago

> A world with greatly reduced air travel is a more insular and less understanding world. I don't think there is an evidence for that. It is more likely that immigration increases cultural understanding rather than travel. In any case, emissions of travel can be greatly reduced by using other modes of transport and by making the stay in the target country longer. Such a cultural shift could actually even improve the understanding between nations.

vonmoltke 7y ago
> It is more likely that immigration increases cultural understanding rather than travel. What will the affect on immigration be if going back to the "old country" becomes significantly more difficult?
- js8 7y ago
  U.S. and Canada had huge influx of immigrants from Europe in 19th and 20th century, when air travel didn't exist. It seems to me to be a basis of strong ties of these countries with Europe rather than other countries.
TulliusCicero 7y ago
> I don't think there is an evidence for that. It is more likely that immigration increases cultural understanding rather than travel. Disagree that travel doesn't matter, but even then, do you really think it being much harder to visit their home countries again will have no impact on immigration patterns? > In any case, emissions of travel can be greatly reduced by using other modes of transport Would love to hear how you propose to let Chinese and Indian immigrants in the states visit home sans airplanes > by making the stay in the target country longer. People would already take longer vacations if they could, dude. Making it harder and slower to get there isn't gonna help anything.
- learnstats2 7y ago
  > Disagree that travel doesn't matter We know - you already made this point in the parent comment. > sans airplanes You've moved the goalposts from 'greatly reduced air travel' to 'sans airplanes'.
  - TulliusCicero 7y ago
    > We know - you already made this point in the parent comment. ...is your point here that points can't reiterated or something? > You've moved the goalposts from 'greatly reduced air travel' to 'sans airplanes'. They're the one that talked about using other means of transport. I had already mentioned immigration. If you greatly reduce it by making it harder/more expensive, that impacts immigrants.

by js8 7y ago

vonmoltke 7y ago

> It is more likely that immigration increases cultural understanding rather than travel. What will the affect on immigration be if going back to the "old country" becomes significantly more difficult?

js8 7y ago
U.S. and Canada had huge influx of immigrants from Europe in 19th and 20th century, when air travel didn't exist. It seems to me to be a basis of strong ties of these countries with Europe rather than other countries.

TulliusCicero 7y ago

> I don't think there is an evidence for that. It is more likely that immigration increases cultural understanding rather than travel. Disagree that travel doesn't matter, but even then, do you really think it being much harder to visit their home countries again will have no impact on immigration patterns? > In any case, emissions of travel can be greatly reduced by using other modes of transport Would love to hear how you propose to let Chinese and Indian immigrants in the states visit home sans airplanes > by making the stay in the target country longer. People would already take longer vacations if they could, dude. Making it harder and slower to get there isn't gonna help anything.

learnstats2 7y ago
> Disagree that travel doesn't matter We know - you already made this point in the parent comment. > sans airplanes You've moved the goalposts from 'greatly reduced air travel' to 'sans airplanes'.
- TulliusCicero 7y ago
  > We know - you already made this point in the parent comment. ...is your point here that points can't reiterated or something? > You've moved the goalposts from 'greatly reduced air travel' to 'sans airplanes'. They're the one that talked about using other means of transport. I had already mentioned immigration. If you greatly reduce it by making it harder/more expensive, that impacts immigrants.