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> to be clear: I also find policies such as separating families and detaining children wrong and contrary to the best interests of our country. "I simply have
by badrequest 7y ago
> to be clear: I also find policies such as separating families and detaining children wrong and contrary to the best interests of our country.
"I simply have all the ability and none of the desire to do anything about it"
- commandlinefan 7y agoI can see where he's coming from: if he refuses to do business with ICE because he disagrees with something they're doing (whether he or they are actually wrong), he's implicitly endorsing every aspect of every customer he does choose to do business with.
- tenaciousDaniel 7y agoAlso committing to scrutinize the internal business practices of every future partner. It's easy enough to point at ICE and say that they're actions don't align with your values. But you're setting a precedent for your company - one that will be very hard to live up to down the road.
- Porthos9K 7y agoMr. Crist is not just the CEO of Chef. He is also a citizen of the United States of America. As a citizen, he has duties that should take priority over his responsibilities as Chef CEO. By virtue of his position as CEO, his influence and his responsibility to wield that influence in the public interest are greater.
- maxwell 7y agoYou don't see the divide between those who operate concentration camps, and those who do not?
- lazyasciiart 7y agoNo they aren't. They haven't scrutinized ICE at all - they're operating on nationally reported information.
- notus 7y agoI disagree with that implication. Refusing to do business with ICE in this context is just saying that their actions are so bad that they cannot support that level of evil. All that implies of the people they continue to work is they don't meet that threshold of evil. It's not a black and white thing.
- vageli 7y agoBy this logic no one can ever take a stand, lest they be criticized for being inconsistent in the application of their principles. Gotta start somewhere, no?
- shakezula 7y agoThat’s what these types want, though. They want to have plausible deniability and a solid excuse while they’re cashing their checks, they don’t actually want to make hard choices.
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- awakeasleep 7y agoThis is common 'tech guy' thinking where an action is immoral and impossible unless it can be generalized to apply to every situation for all time. It's bullshit though. That isn't how life works, it's not a humane standard to hold people to, and no one does it. You make judgements. The squeaky wheel gets noticed. And just because you notice one squeaky wheel doesn't mean you are required to inspect every wheel for potential squeaks every time you are aware there may be wheels somewhere in the future.
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- eof 7y agoI am sure if chef withrdrew their services then suddenly the entire DHS would become sane and kind.
- neuronflux 7y agoYou're suggesting that nobody should every take a stand for what they feel is right and good because their actions are too insignificant anyway? Grim.
- Steven_Vellon 7y agoNo, the above poster is pointing out the dishonesty in claiming that Chef has the ability to stop family separation and detainment.
- robertfw 7y agoI don't see anyone claiming that
- Steven_Vellon 7y ago> badrequest 17 minutes ago [-] > > to be clear: I also find policies such as separating families and detaining children wrong and contrary to the best interests of our country. > "I simply have all the ability and none of the desire to do anything about it" The root commenter seems to be saying that the CEO of chef has "all the ability" to change this situation.
- Porthos9K 7y agoAs CEO of Chef, Barry Crist has the authority to say, "Chef will withdraw from all ICE contracts. We cannot change ICE's policies, but we are not obligated to remain complicit in the harm these policies cause." He could have said this. He could have taken a stand and set an example. He chose to take the easy way out, and I think there are too many people in this thread willing to make excuses for his moral cowardice. He may have done the right thing as a CEO, but he has failed miserably as a human being and an American citizen.
- Steven_Vellon 7y agoWhat ability does Chef have to change family separation and detainment? These things would still be happening if ICE had to go back to whatever they were using before Chef.
- BrainInAJar 7y agobut they might be harder. Which is the point. Private people can resist abhorrent policies by putting up roadblocks or at least not making it easier
- Steven_Vellon 7y agoHarder how? Explain how making ICEs deployment pipeline slower will make ICE release migrants or stop family separation. If you want to claim that Chef should cease business with ICE explicitly on the moral grounds that no company should have any business with the agency, that is a valid claim. But to say that Chef had any influence, let alone "all the ability" as the root commenter wrote, to affect ICE's conduct is not a statement I find to be honest.
- commandlinefan 7y agoIf anything, this sort of thing makes it worse for the immigrants awaiting asylum hearings: if it's harder to keep track of who's there, it's harder to process them. There was a company whose employees walked out when they found out they were making beds for ICE detainment facilities... resulting in fewer beds for detainees.
- nojvek 7y agoBullshit. If ICE really wanted beds for their detainees they’d have gone somewhere else. In a way, it’s a baby step about making life really hard for ICE such that they have capacities for less detainees while we wait for a sane president who isn’t xenophobic. Akin to how cloudflare kicked off sites who condoned violence and hate from their services. Sure they can go someowhere else, but their life gets harder eventually to the point that they’re more naked in news and no one wants to work with them or associated with them and they eventually shutdown.
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