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Eastern bloc is awful communication wise - I don't know about India but I know about eastern Europe. When people are told for a couple of generations that they

Eastern bloc is awful communication wise - I don't know about India but I know about eastern Europe. When people are told for a couple of generations that they should shut their mouths and look down if they don't want their families hurt. They tend to obey.

varjag 16y ago
As someone who worked in an outsourcing company of former USSR, I don't think that's the case really, most developers are pretty young. If anything, they are unnecessarily opinionated.
- JanezStupar 16y ago
  How about their managers? To me its the other side of the coin - like depressive people have manic phases. My experience was that I was development lead of a project that had development outsourced to a former Yugoslav republic. We had clear agreement (on all levels) that we shall use direct communication on appropriate levels. But what happened in reality was that every memo or inquiry I did - the local development lead would not respond to me directly in a timely fashion. Instead the information would be passed up to the CEO of the company who would then proceed to send this information to my Executive Director who would then send it to me (in an understandably untimely fashion). Needles to say we had to break the effort and search for local developers. And further east you go more of this effect you see - people refuse to convey information that is clearly in their jurisdiction, because their boss might not agree with everything. A fucking nightmare.
  - varjag 16y ago
    Oh yes, the management :) I actually began writing about it, but then decided I shouldn't generalize about all of Eastern Europe from just my experience. Management tends to be poor to atrocious, effective management is seriously lacking through all industries there. Add to that resource constraints and competitive pressure you have in outsourcing shops, and it multiplies many-fold.

varjag 16y ago

As someone who worked in an outsourcing company of former USSR, I don't think that's the case really, most developers are pretty young. If anything, they are unnecessarily opinionated.

JanezStupar 16y ago
How about their managers? To me its the other side of the coin - like depressive people have manic phases. My experience was that I was development lead of a project that had development outsourced to a former Yugoslav republic. We had clear agreement (on all levels) that we shall use direct communication on appropriate levels. But what happened in reality was that every memo or inquiry I did - the local development lead would not respond to me directly in a timely fashion. Instead the information would be passed up to the CEO of the company who would then proceed to send this information to my Executive Director who would then send it to me (in an understandably untimely fashion). Needles to say we had to break the effort and search for local developers. And further east you go more of this effect you see - people refuse to convey information that is clearly in their jurisdiction, because their boss might not agree with everything. A fucking nightmare.
- varjag 16y ago
  Oh yes, the management :) I actually began writing about it, but then decided I shouldn't generalize about all of Eastern Europe from just my experience. Management tends to be poor to atrocious, effective management is seriously lacking through all industries there. Add to that resource constraints and competitive pressure you have in outsourcing shops, and it multiplies many-fold.