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If they built in proper data access controls, one would think that suspending apps would not be necessary. The fact that the apps have the power to grab people'

If they built in proper data access controls, one would think that suspending apps would not be necessary. The fact that the apps have the power to grab people's personal data at all is the problem. Why don't they just shut down the leaky APIs, disable all the apps that require those APIs, and make the app devs update them? On the assumption of course that Facebook gives a single lick about actually protecting people's personal data.

behringer 7y ago
They don't, that's the entire point. From the day they created the API it was with the understanding that people would farm the data. FB only asked politely that companies not collect so that they could tell the public what they are telling them now (We had no idea!), but no developer ever took that seriously.
- taurath 7y ago
  Then they should get absolutely no praise or even acknowledgement for suspending these apps. They made the fence with no gate, saying they've kicked out a few of the foxes isn't praiseworthy.
- ipsum2 7y ago
  > From the day they created the API it was with the understanding that people would farm the data This is a serious claim, do you have any evidence to support it?
  - behringer 7y ago
    They put in no safe guards. It was designed to give developers access to personal information. What more do you want? Criminal negligence is still criminal.
    - bilbo0s 7y ago
      Actually allowing access is not criminal provided they tell you they are going to do so in the TOS. That's why we need a law to make it explicitly illegal to share any such information at all for commercial purposes. I don't really care if it destroys business models. Maybe some of those business models deserve to be destroyed.
throwaway91735 7y ago
> Why don't they just shut down the leaky APIs, disable all the apps that require those APIs, and make the app devs update them? Facebook already did this (https://developers.facebook.com/blog/post/2019/04/25/api-updates/ https://developers.facebook.com/blog/post/2019/04/25/api-upd..., https://developers.facebook.com/blog/post/2018/04/24/new-facebook-platform-product-changes-policy-updates/ https://developers.facebook.com/blog/post/2018/04/24/new-fac..., https://developers.facebook.com/blog/post/2018/04/04/facebook-api-platform-product-changes/ https://developers.facebook.com/blog/post/2018/04/04/faceboo...). These suspensions are in addition to that.

behringer 7y ago

They don't, that's the entire point. From the day they created the API it was with the understanding that people would farm the data. FB only asked politely that companies not collect so that they could tell the public what they are telling them now (We had no idea!), but no developer ever took that seriously.

taurath 7y ago
Then they should get absolutely no praise or even acknowledgement for suspending these apps. They made the fence with no gate, saying they've kicked out a few of the foxes isn't praiseworthy.
ipsum2 7y ago
> From the day they created the API it was with the understanding that people would farm the data This is a serious claim, do you have any evidence to support it?
- behringer 7y ago
  They put in no safe guards. It was designed to give developers access to personal information. What more do you want? Criminal negligence is still criminal.
  - bilbo0s 7y ago
    Actually allowing access is not criminal provided they tell you they are going to do so in the TOS. That's why we need a law to make it explicitly illegal to share any such information at all for commercial purposes. I don't really care if it destroys business models. Maybe some of those business models deserve to be destroyed.

throwaway91735 7y ago

> Why don't they just shut down the leaky APIs, disable all the apps that require those APIs, and make the app devs update them? Facebook already did this (https://developers.facebook.com/blog/post/2019/04/25/api-updates/ https://developers.facebook.com/blog/post/2019/04/25/api-upd..., https://developers.facebook.com/blog/post/2018/04/24/new-facebook-platform-product-changes-policy-updates/ https://developers.facebook.com/blog/post/2018/04/24/new-fac..., https://developers.facebook.com/blog/post/2018/04/04/facebook-api-platform-product-changes/ https://developers.facebook.com/blog/post/2018/04/04/faceboo...). These suspensions are in addition to that.