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Sorry guys, but I don’t understand. As a society, we are fighting extremism by... censoring it, not addressing their points. Manifestos of killers are always hi
by alexis_fr 7y ago
Sorry guys, but I don’t understand. As a society, we are fighting extremism by... censoring it, not addressing their points. Manifestos of killers are always hidden, the reasons why they killed never addressed, and we go as far as banning all authors whose work describes why the extremist became extremist (see Jordan Peterson’s book banned in NZ), thereby ensuring the population never understands the terrorist. Why?
“We don’t discuss with extremists” is a fairly strong assertion. It comes from an “us vs them” attitude.
For example, men who start being upset with women being promoted about 2,7x fewer experience and men who get upset being managed by women who grossly misrepresent their competency and drives their department to irrelevancy, start researching feminism. They regularly found that most feminist science is bollocks. Studies about rape are manipulated to show rates as high as 650x higher than more decent sources, for example by only using voluntary responses from a non-random group, by conflating rape and the presence of alcohol (so a dinner with one’s boyfriend including wine entered the category that the study reported as “rape... or sex without consent”), by conflating rape and not-woman-initiated-sex, or other techniques to overinflate victimization. Same techniques apply to wage gap (conflate gross gap with same-work gap, conflate full-time-with-overtime vs full-time, conflate the quality of work of people who are passionnate and/or are forced to earn more, vs the quality of work of people who don’t commit to their job), I’ve seen in also in the legal and social domain. A study that concludes that women are victims has like 60% chances of not having been seriously peer-reviewed and 99% chances of having a major, fatal flaw that discredits it.
Ok, so can we denounce a bad scientific paper? Can we denounce repeated news articles that are repeatedly false?
No, because “it’s fake news”. I was once literally told (by a magistrate friend of mine), “Everyone knows women are oppressed, so if that’s not want your counter-analysis concludes, you are the one who’s wrong”. And we go as far as firing them, which didn’t happen to me because I resigned before they discovered that I had The Doubt.
So we have large swathes of people, who were pointing out something entirely correct, who are excluded from society “because we don’t discuss with terrorists”.
Some of them commit bombings. Their frequency increases, mostly as a result of the increasing rate of divorce in the 80’s, which means boys are only surrounded by women (mother, teacher, psychologist) who claim literally false science, and who publicly hate men and everything masculine.
How are we, as a society, going to sort that out, if there is no place where this can get discussed? Are we voluntarily going to say, “ok, bombings will repeat, because it is very important that nobody knows the motives of bombers, and nobody resolves those problems, and nobody even will resolve the false science that is outright plain false”? Is that seriously the path we are taking?
But more important is the pathways: Learning about the absurd mistakes of feminist science is leading most users into neighbour areas (yes, studies on racism), and is procuring a steady stream of new recruits for what you call “extreme movements”. Wouldn’t it be better to tap the leak while it’s still time?
- mikelyons 7y agoHow do we address the underlying selfishness that causes this?
- alexis_fr 7y agoWhat do you mean with selfishness? I have always been more generous in both time and money in my life than most of the group. Dozens of thousands of dollars to charities. I’ve also greatly helped my god-daughter in a very feminist way, and stood up for others way more than I ever stood up for myself in my life. So shut your fucking mouth, I’m so upset of having ever contributed to charities which now end up working against males. I assume you claim than when being unfairly treated, asking for coming back to fairness is selfishness. So justice is selfishness? Which is the first step in showing your bold accusation is plain anti-male hate, but anyway, I won’t change your bad ethics. However to answer your question, to resolve selfishness problems, you could stand up for me after I’ve stood up for others. You could stand up for me even if I hadn’t gave first, but just because I’m a human and deserve it? You could show solidarity for men when needed. And I’m not asking for the moon, I ask to be able to work even more and be paid for the work I do! If the group considers that unfair things done to me are as unfair as unfair things done to any other member of the group, then you’ll never have to try to limit my place in society. Howeve, when shown absolutely no consideration at all by you, and not being considered as a mere human, and feeling deprived of my basic rights to provide to society and be rewarded for the sweat I give, then I feel a sentiment of abandon and urgency, which close to provokes the effect we were trying to avoid: bombings. Well, that’s the effect I was trying to avoid, and I have no feeling that you were trying to avoid that. Perhaps you’d be happy that you provoke me into terrorist attacks just to gain attention, because it would confirm the prejudice you have about « selfish people », aka, I assume, males that you see as selfish because tHeY aSk To bE pRoMoTeD.
- mikelyons 7y agonotice that all of that only exists to _you_ and that _I_ have no idea what you're on about https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qMqNRUILvHc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qMqNRUILvHc