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I'm not completely informed of everything ICE does but I believe this is the agency that has been separating children from their parents, caging people for days
by moccachino 7y ago
I'm not completely informed of everything ICE does but I believe this is the agency that has been separating children from their parents, caging people for days (weeks?) on end in conditions where they can't even lie down, and even had small children die in their custody [1].
[1] https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-48375144 https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-48375144
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- derision 7y agoA fair criticism, but let's not forget these facilities and practices were opened during the Obama administration. People like to point to this as a point of criticism against Trump.
- pnako 7y agoThose facilities and practices were started by Bill Clinton in the 90s.
- commandlinefan 7y agoAnd my understanding is that those facilities and practices were put into place to protect the children from assault by the predominantly adult population of the then-existing detainment facilities.
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- moccachino 7y agoIf that were true it would be even more terrible. I did find it a bit hard to believe so I checked, and your claim seems to be based on a misunderstanding, according to https://www.nytimes.com/2019/04/09/us/politics/fact-check-family-separation-obama.html https://www.nytimes.com/2019/04/09/us/politics/fact-check-fa....
- derision 7y agoCan't read the article because it's behind a paywall, but unfortunately I've come to doubt anything the NYT reports against Trump as they tend to be less than honest about how they choose to report and represent things.
- DiffEq 7y agoIf I go out and break the law I will be arrested and put in jail and separated from my children too. Let us not forget that these are illegal aliens. They know it is illegal and they do it anyway, and bring their children along; do you not harbor any moral outrage against those parents for subjecting their children to this possibility? Also - have you no moral outrage left for the corrupt countries that make their own peoples lives so intolerable that they feel they have to leave and break the law to try and get into the United States?
- tzs 7y ago> They know it is illegal and they do it anyway, and bring their children along; do you not harbor any moral outrage against those parents for subjecting their children to this possibility? No, I do not harbor any moral outrage for parents who bring their children with them when fleeing from a place where gang violence and organized crime have made it very unsafe. For a lot of these families, getting the kids to a safer place was the reason they left.
- SolaceQuantum 7y agoI was under the impression that the many of those immigrating are actually entirely legally going through the refugee/asylum process so the whole claim that they are illegal is moot. They are legal.
- mieses 7y agoAsylum shopping is not legal.
- mieseratte 7y agoThose people are also free to self-deport at any time. They're locked in cages insofar as they choose to be there.
- SolaceQuantum 7y agoActually are they allowed to leave an ICE facility once they've been put into the encampments? For example, when a citizen youth was put into an encampmet for suspicion of being in the country illegally, I don't believe they were ever provided the option to be released.
- prepend 7y agoOnly to be “released” through deportation.
- empath75 7y agoWe're talking about children, and no that's not true.