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In the later scenarios, what assurance does the Ablocker have that their requests are respected? I could easily see a scenario where an Adblocker says "Hey Chr

In the later scenarios, what assurance does the Ablocker have that their requests are respected? I could easily see a scenario where an Adblocker says "Hey Chrome block all requests to ads.google.com" and Chrome saying "Sure thing buddy" then completely ignoring that request.

zie 7y ago
SHHH!!! That's for Chrome 100 ;P I agree it's totally possible they would do that, but one could figure it out pretty easily with a touch of detective work.
- cptskippy 7y ago
  And then what? Google will say that it's protecting critical functions from breaking and to piss off. Suddenly Google is a monopoly in the ad space because they have the predominant browser and let through only their ads.
  - zie 7y ago
    they arguably are effectively a monopoly now. Them doing things like this isn't remotely new. They just got caught tracking everyone's smart TV usage. Nothing will happen to them until: 1) the Government decides to intervene. 2) Users give up and start using different services. I'm pushing for #2, but then I switched off like a decade ago, when I saw the writing on the wall.
    - ummonk 7y ago
      Were they tracking smart tv usage or were smart tv manufacturers using google apis to store their tracking data?
      - zie 7y ago
        Both it seems: "The most prevalent tracker, Google's doubleclick.net, showed up in 975 of the top 1,000 Roku channels, with Google analytics trackers showing up in 360, the researchers found." - https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2019/09/studies-google-netflix-and-others-are-watching-how-you-watch-your-tv/ https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2019/09/studies-google-n...
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ryandrake 7y ago
Adblocker apps/extensions don't require that assurance. The user requires this assurance, and if the browser ignores the user's wishes, the browser is the application that should be held accountable by users.
- cptskippy 7y ago
  How is the user to know if it's the AdBlocker or the Browser though? It's a he-said-she-said kind of situation with the AdBlocker and the Browser potentially pointing the finger at each other. This setup gives the Browser/Maker plausible deniability when they act badly.
  - saagarjha 7y ago
    Browsers and extensions aren't black boxes; it's easy to inspect them for this kind of behavior.
Angostura 7y ago
The same assurance you have that the browser wouldn’t simply inject its own ads into all pages.
TylerE 7y ago
There's really nothing at all preventing Chrome from doing that today if they wished... they can manipulate the page before and after the Adblocker sees it.

zie 7y ago

SHHH!!! That's for Chrome 100 ;P I agree it's totally possible they would do that, but one could figure it out pretty easily with a touch of detective work.

cptskippy 7y ago
And then what? Google will say that it's protecting critical functions from breaking and to piss off. Suddenly Google is a monopoly in the ad space because they have the predominant browser and let through only their ads.
- zie 7y ago
  they arguably are effectively a monopoly now. Them doing things like this isn't remotely new. They just got caught tracking everyone's smart TV usage. Nothing will happen to them until: 1) the Government decides to intervene. 2) Users give up and start using different services. I'm pushing for #2, but then I switched off like a decade ago, when I saw the writing on the wall.
  - ummonk 7y ago
    Were they tracking smart tv usage or were smart tv manufacturers using google apis to store their tracking data?
    - zie 7y ago
      Both it seems: "The most prevalent tracker, Google's doubleclick.net, showed up in 975 of the top 1,000 Roku channels, with Google analytics trackers showing up in 360, the researchers found." - https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2019/09/studies-google-netflix-and-others-are-watching-how-you-watch-your-tv/ https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2019/09/studies-google-n...
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ryandrake 7y ago

Adblocker apps/extensions don't require that assurance. The user requires this assurance, and if the browser ignores the user's wishes, the browser is the application that should be held accountable by users.

cptskippy 7y ago
How is the user to know if it's the AdBlocker or the Browser though? It's a he-said-she-said kind of situation with the AdBlocker and the Browser potentially pointing the finger at each other. This setup gives the Browser/Maker plausible deniability when they act badly.
- saagarjha 7y ago
  Browsers and extensions aren't black boxes; it's easy to inspect them for this kind of behavior.

Angostura 7y ago

The same assurance you have that the browser wouldn’t simply inject its own ads into all pages.

TylerE 7y ago

There's really nothing at all preventing Chrome from doing that today if they wished... they can manipulate the page before and after the Adblocker sees it.