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Not having marketing spammers is still better than having spammers and scammers

giancarlostoro 7y ago
There's usually an unsubscribe button for marketing spam, and if there isn't I usually block their email. You can't do that with scammers / illegal spam.
- martin_a 7y ago
  Have you ever clicked one of those? I've never been sure if that wouldn't have worsened the situation by giving feedback that this is an active mail address managed by somebody.
  - giancarlostoro 7y ago
    I click it all the time when I feel I'm getting way too many emails. If I feel like it's not some malware spam at least but genuine marketing trying to sell me something. Every now and then I go back to all those "rewards programs" emails and unsubscribe to the least relevant ones to me.
  - ses1984 7y ago
    If it's from a legitimate company in American jurisdiction they are legally obligated to stop sending emails if you click unsubscribe. I suppose that piece of information has some nonzero value that you are giving up in exchange to not be contacted by that company. If you filter just a single address that address can change. If you filter their domain you might lose legitimate correspondence.
    - danaris 7y ago
      I’ve had several groupings of unsolicited marketing emails over the years where I’ve clicked Unsubscribe and ended up on what’s very clearly a Totally Not That Email List, Honest...but it’s advertising the same things, in the same way, just from a slightly different email and possibly different company name. They have all been American in origin.
      - ses1984 7y ago
        You can complain under the CAN-SPAM Act.
        guitarbill 7y ago
        It's so asymmetrical though. The amount of effort it takes to spam someone is vastly lower than a complaint. What would be great is a third-party site where you can somehow document/log unsubscribe requests. Then, if the company still spams you, document that. A few hundred users is pretty good proof, and the company can't just argue a glitch. It'd pay for that.
      - robin_reala 7y ago
        Easy enough to fix: use a unique address for a company, unsubscribe, then take the related company to court later. Works even better in a GDPR location.
        danaris 7y ago
        Right; with my unlimited resources, time, and understanding of the legal system. I mean, I'd love to be able to, but do you think I'd even be able to determine what the company's actual address is?
- TeMPOraL 7y ago
  Marketers, spammers and scammers are the same thing - sources of unsolicited e-mail, engaging with whom is not good for you. Eliminating marketers from the trio means only that much less messages to worry about.
  - giancarlostoro 7y ago
    I guess I must not be important enough or something because I don't recall the last time I got any marketing emails without sharing my email with a marketing person. The only marketing outside of "Rewards" programs that I get is marketing from the one conference I go to every year, and I get plenty of free swag from them, then I unsubscribe.
    - TeMPOraL 7y ago
      Did you take a look at your Spam folder? On my primary address (one I used for almost two decades), 90% of my spam is unsolicited marketing communication. Quickly skimming it, roughly half of that 90% is from parties I may have interacted with in the past, the other half is from apparently legit companies that I haven't interacted with, that pulled my address from somewhere (possibly because I used it to register my business). Outside of spam, I spent some time and unsubscribed from most of the pseudo-solicited communications I got (i.e. the kind of pre-GDPR bullshit where I register for some service and this automatically counts as consent to receive marketing communication). About solicited marketing messages I don't whine much (except that they exist), that's on me. (I actually used this occasion to softly threaten one of the marketers from the top of my box with legal action, because they are clearly breaking Polish law - they tried the "this message is only request for consent to sent the actual message" trick, but executed it badly.)
- satanspastaroll 7y ago
  So GDPR would solve some of the problems? That sounds great to me. It can also cut some borderline grey data companies.
- deleted 7y ago
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- finnthehuman 7y ago
  Fuck the unsubscribe button. I never subscribed in the first place. It’s one disgusting thing when people hide signup behind email confirmation without clearly marked opt-in spam confirmation. It’s another when I get home from a professional event and I have a dozen new “subscriptions” and people “just reaching out” or “following up on our prior conversation” to a single-purpose email address I gave to one place and used a fake name and fake company name. Email marketing can get fucked.
- neltnerb 7y ago
  It's not like legitimat-ish email marketing will suddenly switch to scammers or illegal spam, they would actually get in trouble for violations. Companies that don't rely on scams aren't desperate enough to risk getting fined for such a weak lead (I'd hope). Not that I'll ever configure my email client to automatically download images, as far as I'm concerned downloaded images is just making your email address more valuable to the spammer by confirming you got it.

There's usually an unsubscribe button for marketing spam, and if there isn't I usually block their email. You can't do that with scammers / illegal spam.

martin_a 7y ago
Have you ever clicked one of those? I've never been sure if that wouldn't have worsened the situation by giving feedback that this is an active mail address managed by somebody.
- giancarlostoro 7y ago
  I click it all the time when I feel I'm getting way too many emails. If I feel like it's not some malware spam at least but genuine marketing trying to sell me something. Every now and then I go back to all those "rewards programs" emails and unsubscribe to the least relevant ones to me.
- ses1984 7y ago
  If it's from a legitimate company in American jurisdiction they are legally obligated to stop sending emails if you click unsubscribe. I suppose that piece of information has some nonzero value that you are giving up in exchange to not be contacted by that company. If you filter just a single address that address can change. If you filter their domain you might lose legitimate correspondence.
  - danaris 7y ago
    I’ve had several groupings of unsolicited marketing emails over the years where I’ve clicked Unsubscribe and ended up on what’s very clearly a Totally Not That Email List, Honest...but it’s advertising the same things, in the same way, just from a slightly different email and possibly different company name. They have all been American in origin.
    - ses1984 7y ago
      You can complain under the CAN-SPAM Act.
      - guitarbill 7y ago
        It's so asymmetrical though. The amount of effort it takes to spam someone is vastly lower than a complaint. What would be great is a third-party site where you can somehow document/log unsubscribe requests. Then, if the company still spams you, document that. A few hundred users is pretty good proof, and the company can't just argue a glitch. It'd pay for that.
    - robin_reala 7y ago
      Easy enough to fix: use a unique address for a company, unsubscribe, then take the related company to court later. Works even better in a GDPR location.
      - danaris 7y ago
        Right; with my unlimited resources, time, and understanding of the legal system. I mean, I'd love to be able to, but do you think I'd even be able to determine what the company's actual address is?
TeMPOraL 7y ago
Marketers, spammers and scammers are the same thing - sources of unsolicited e-mail, engaging with whom is not good for you. Eliminating marketers from the trio means only that much less messages to worry about.
- giancarlostoro 7y ago
  I guess I must not be important enough or something because I don't recall the last time I got any marketing emails without sharing my email with a marketing person. The only marketing outside of "Rewards" programs that I get is marketing from the one conference I go to every year, and I get plenty of free swag from them, then I unsubscribe.
  - TeMPOraL 7y ago
    Did you take a look at your Spam folder? On my primary address (one I used for almost two decades), 90% of my spam is unsolicited marketing communication. Quickly skimming it, roughly half of that 90% is from parties I may have interacted with in the past, the other half is from apparently legit companies that I haven't interacted with, that pulled my address from somewhere (possibly because I used it to register my business). Outside of spam, I spent some time and unsubscribed from most of the pseudo-solicited communications I got (i.e. the kind of pre-GDPR bullshit where I register for some service and this automatically counts as consent to receive marketing communication). About solicited marketing messages I don't whine much (except that they exist), that's on me. (I actually used this occasion to softly threaten one of the marketers from the top of my box with legal action, because they are clearly breaking Polish law - they tried the "this message is only request for consent to sent the actual message" trick, but executed it badly.)
satanspastaroll 7y ago
So GDPR would solve some of the problems? That sounds great to me. It can also cut some borderline grey data companies.
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finnthehuman 7y ago
Fuck the unsubscribe button. I never subscribed in the first place. It’s one disgusting thing when people hide signup behind email confirmation without clearly marked opt-in spam confirmation. It’s another when I get home from a professional event and I have a dozen new “subscriptions” and people “just reaching out” or “following up on our prior conversation” to a single-purpose email address I gave to one place and used a fake name and fake company name. Email marketing can get fucked.
neltnerb 7y ago
It's not like legitimat-ish email marketing will suddenly switch to scammers or illegal spam, they would actually get in trouble for violations. Companies that don't rely on scams aren't desperate enough to risk getting fined for such a weak lead (I'd hope). Not that I'll ever configure my email client to automatically download images, as far as I'm concerned downloaded images is just making your email address more valuable to the spammer by confirming you got it.