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> It has lead to compulsory acceptance. No. It leads to non-acceptance by default. If you are seeing forms where you are opted in to data capture by default th

> It has lead to compulsory acceptance. No. It leads to non-acceptance by default. If you are seeing forms where you are opted in to data capture by default that isn't a core part of the service, that's a breach.

maccard 7y ago
Great, so how do we fix that and stop them doing it?
- satanspastaroll 7y ago
  We generally fine them big for breaking it, and may forbid them from doing business at all if they keep breaking it
  - maccard 7y ago
    Who is "we", how do "we" decide who is breaking the laws and how can _I_ tell themof a blatant disregard for the laws?
    - satanspastaroll 7y ago
      Every country implements their version of GDPR and it's sanctions. You can tell your authorities or dedicated organization about violations. Not all countries have yet implemented procedures for them however.
- alkonaut 7y ago
  Wait for a small number of companies practicing the “by using this service you agree to” thing to be fined a large part of their turnover. After that companies will adapt. Now we are in a sort of transition phase where laws are written but companies interpret them themselves (badly) and there are few guiding cases. I look forward to the next phase when the notices will be gone or say “did you know you can enable tracking so we show more relevant ads that we get more money for showing?”. I’ll say no regardless of how much I enjoy that content.
  - maccard 7y ago
    My point was that the laws are in place now, but appear to be toothless. I received a marketing email disguised as an order update after an explicit opt out, and reported it to ICO in the UK. ICO told me I had to take it up with the provider, and if they didn't resolve it to get in touch. The provider said sorry and closed my ticket, and I contacted ICO again who just mothballed me. Laws are only effectivr if they're enforced, and right now the tracking laws of the GDPR don't appear to be enforced, or have any sort of method for reporting, which is really really disappointing
    - Angostura 7y ago
      > the laws are in place now, but appear to be toothless Currently the country's regulators (such as ICO in the UK) are swamped with GDPR complaints and are prioritising the most egregious cases. I imagine cookies are a way down the list. In terms of reporting, you tell the company itself first, if you don't get satisfaction you report to your own European country's regulator, or that where the company is based.
      - maccard 7y ago
        The agencies responsible are unable to deal with requests, so for all intends and purposes, the laws are toothless until they start cracking down on it, and there's nothing I can do/nobody I can tell about it.

maccard 7y ago

Great, so how do we fix that and stop them doing it?

satanspastaroll 7y ago
We generally fine them big for breaking it, and may forbid them from doing business at all if they keep breaking it
- maccard 7y ago
  Who is "we", how do "we" decide who is breaking the laws and how can _I_ tell themof a blatant disregard for the laws?
  - satanspastaroll 7y ago
    Every country implements their version of GDPR and it's sanctions. You can tell your authorities or dedicated organization about violations. Not all countries have yet implemented procedures for them however.
alkonaut 7y ago
Wait for a small number of companies practicing the “by using this service you agree to” thing to be fined a large part of their turnover. After that companies will adapt. Now we are in a sort of transition phase where laws are written but companies interpret them themselves (badly) and there are few guiding cases. I look forward to the next phase when the notices will be gone or say “did you know you can enable tracking so we show more relevant ads that we get more money for showing?”. I’ll say no regardless of how much I enjoy that content.
- maccard 7y ago
  My point was that the laws are in place now, but appear to be toothless. I received a marketing email disguised as an order update after an explicit opt out, and reported it to ICO in the UK. ICO told me I had to take it up with the provider, and if they didn't resolve it to get in touch. The provider said sorry and closed my ticket, and I contacted ICO again who just mothballed me. Laws are only effectivr if they're enforced, and right now the tracking laws of the GDPR don't appear to be enforced, or have any sort of method for reporting, which is really really disappointing
  - Angostura 7y ago
    > the laws are in place now, but appear to be toothless Currently the country's regulators (such as ICO in the UK) are swamped with GDPR complaints and are prioritising the most egregious cases. I imagine cookies are a way down the list. In terms of reporting, you tell the company itself first, if you don't get satisfaction you report to your own European country's regulator, or that where the company is based.
    - maccard 7y ago
      The agencies responsible are unable to deal with requests, so for all intends and purposes, the laws are toothless until they start cracking down on it, and there's nothing I can do/nobody I can tell about it.