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How many "error's" does the US make? Far too many for them to be called "error's" anymore. How many kids were radicalised by the US going into Iraq and killing

How many "error's" does the US make? Far too many for them to be called "error's" anymore. How many kids were radicalised by the US going into Iraq and killing millions of their people? Tens of thousands of orphans, with an evil imperial army coming into their home, bombing their farms, raiding their homes, murdering civilians. Enough to create ISIS and radicalise thousands upon thousands more. How many families were put out by 9/11? About 3000. And you call that an excuse to invade Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, Somalia, Pakistan etc etc etc. So 3000 American lives, taken by Saudi Arabian citizens, cost the lives of millions across the world so that the American people can feel good about their hegemony? Al-Qaeda won that war before the US even left their own soil. They had one aim, bring about the end of the USA, and they did it by getting your own government to strip away civil liberties overnight, and you didn't even care.

golergka 7y ago
> How many "error's" does the US make? Usually it's measured in the ratio of civilian casualties to combatants, and as far as I remember, US is keeping this ratio exceptionally low in comparison to other conflicts. That's the key point here: your criticism applies to any war at all. War is hell, everybody knows that. To be objective in your judgement about US though, you have to quantatively compare different conflicts to each other.
- michaelmrose 7y ago
  Nobody whose family got blown up cares about one thing that you just typed.
  - chrshawkes 7y ago
    Unfortunately, neither do many Americans who have been affected by terrorism as well (majority most likely). I'm not saying that's how I feel, but I don't think it's going out on a limb to say that it's probably true.
- input_sh 7y ago
  Your memory is wrong. You may want to look that up before making such a dumb claim: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civilian_casualties_from_U.S._drone_strikes#Total_numbers https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civilian_casualties_from_U.S._... Ratio of 15-20% civilian deaths is not "exceptionally low" by any means.
  - golergka 7y ago
    But it is EXCEPTIONALLY low - even more so than I remember. > Starting in the 1980s, it was often claimed that 90 percent of the victims of modern wars were civilians. > The Vietnamese government has estimated the number of Vietnamese civilians killed in the Vietnam War at two million, and the number of NVA and Viet Cong killed at 1.1 million—estimates which approximate those of a number of other sources.[19] This would give a civilian-combatant fatality ratio of approximately 2:1, or 67%. > During the First Chechen War, 4,000 separatist fighters and 40,000 civilians are estimated to have died, giving a civilian-combatant ratio of 10:1. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civilian_casualty_ratio#Chechen_wars https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civilian_casualty_ratio#Cheche...
    - mad_tortoise 7y ago
      So essentially what you're saying is that it's ok to kill million's of people in Iraq and Afghanistan as long as it fit's into a ratio that they're killing enough enemies to make civilians inconsequential? What utter bullshit you spout and a sad world you live occupy in your own head.
- smhost 7y ago
  where are you getting those numbers? "Trump Revokes Obama-Era Rule on Disclosing Civilian Casualties From U.S. Airstrikes Outside War Zones" https://www.nytimes.com/2019/03/06/us/politics/trump-civilian-casualties-rule-revoked.html?module=inline https://www.nytimes.com/2019/03/06/us/politics/trump-civilia...
- fuck_the_US 7y ago
  Anti-ideology is still an ideology, see Lacan's Book XXI "The Non-Duped Err". You can veil your imperialistic ideology behind some idea of an "objective" evaluation but it's transparent to everyone and everyone.
- saiya-jin 7y ago
  Maybe US just finally met nation/group of individuals pissed off enough to care and go and deliver revenge the deem adequate. I mean, expecting that some random casualties ratio being upheld means all is a-OK is a bit ridiculous, don't you think? After all the hell and atrocities done by US in Vietnam, I absolutely do not understand how there was no strong resent towards US anymore after the war to the point of actively seeking and eliminating US targets like terrorist/spies do. It was a humbling realization for me, and I have great respect for Vietnamese people not only for this.
iamnotacrook 7y ago
> How many "error's" It starts with grocer's apostrophes, but before long everyone's splitting infinitives.
- mad_tortoise 7y ago
  Damn I should have googled that one.

golergka 7y ago

> How many "error's" does the US make? Usually it's measured in the ratio of civilian casualties to combatants, and as far as I remember, US is keeping this ratio exceptionally low in comparison to other conflicts. That's the key point here: your criticism applies to any war at all. War is hell, everybody knows that. To be objective in your judgement about US though, you have to quantatively compare different conflicts to each other.

michaelmrose 7y ago
Nobody whose family got blown up cares about one thing that you just typed.
- chrshawkes 7y ago
  Unfortunately, neither do many Americans who have been affected by terrorism as well (majority most likely). I'm not saying that's how I feel, but I don't think it's going out on a limb to say that it's probably true.
input_sh 7y ago
Your memory is wrong. You may want to look that up before making such a dumb claim: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civilian_casualties_from_U.S._drone_strikes#Total_numbers https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civilian_casualties_from_U.S._... Ratio of 15-20% civilian deaths is not "exceptionally low" by any means.
- golergka 7y ago
  But it is EXCEPTIONALLY low - even more so than I remember. > Starting in the 1980s, it was often claimed that 90 percent of the victims of modern wars were civilians. > The Vietnamese government has estimated the number of Vietnamese civilians killed in the Vietnam War at two million, and the number of NVA and Viet Cong killed at 1.1 million—estimates which approximate those of a number of other sources.[19] This would give a civilian-combatant fatality ratio of approximately 2:1, or 67%. > During the First Chechen War, 4,000 separatist fighters and 40,000 civilians are estimated to have died, giving a civilian-combatant ratio of 10:1. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civilian_casualty_ratio#Chechen_wars https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civilian_casualty_ratio#Cheche...
  - mad_tortoise 7y ago
    So essentially what you're saying is that it's ok to kill million's of people in Iraq and Afghanistan as long as it fit's into a ratio that they're killing enough enemies to make civilians inconsequential? What utter bullshit you spout and a sad world you live occupy in your own head.
smhost 7y ago
where are you getting those numbers? "Trump Revokes Obama-Era Rule on Disclosing Civilian Casualties From U.S. Airstrikes Outside War Zones" https://www.nytimes.com/2019/03/06/us/politics/trump-civilian-casualties-rule-revoked.html?module=inline https://www.nytimes.com/2019/03/06/us/politics/trump-civilia...
fuck_the_US 7y ago
Anti-ideology is still an ideology, see Lacan's Book XXI "The Non-Duped Err". You can veil your imperialistic ideology behind some idea of an "objective" evaluation but it's transparent to everyone and everyone.
saiya-jin 7y ago
Maybe US just finally met nation/group of individuals pissed off enough to care and go and deliver revenge the deem adequate. I mean, expecting that some random casualties ratio being upheld means all is a-OK is a bit ridiculous, don't you think? After all the hell and atrocities done by US in Vietnam, I absolutely do not understand how there was no strong resent towards US anymore after the war to the point of actively seeking and eliminating US targets like terrorist/spies do. It was a humbling realization for me, and I have great respect for Vietnamese people not only for this.

iamnotacrook 7y ago

> How many "error's" It starts with grocer's apostrophes, but before long everyone's splitting infinitives.

mad_tortoise 7y ago
Damn I should have googled that one.