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Chinese are "native people from a population that has un-uninterrupted culture". Not too great at preserving environment (reportedly improving lately I think).

Chinese are "native people from a population that has un-uninterrupted culture". Not too great at preserving environment (reportedly improving lately I think). Idea of a "noble savage" is a myth that is about as racist as it's opposite.

krapp 7y ago
>Chinese are "native people from a population that has un-uninterrupted culture". Didn't they interrupt their culture with extreme prejudice like fifty-odd years ago?
gerbilly 7y ago
Don't sling epithets. My using the word 'native' was a proxy for a type of culture: a close to the land hunter gatherer lifestyle. You know one that would necessarily make them keen observers of their natural environment. I could have said aboriginal, but maybe you'll take offence to that too?
- UnFleshedOne 7y ago
  Ah, sorry, I didn't mean you are racist. Just the idea of noble savage. I should have been more careful with the wording. Re: hunter-gatherer lifestyle, my understanding that people leading that are merely unlucky (or lucky) ones who didn't domesticate enough plants and animals to settle down and go through a population explosion. They certainly have a lot of knowledge about local ecosystems because they depend on that knowledge for survival. But, a few successful domestications, some introduced species, few hundred years of nice weather and they will multiply and turn into the same kind of locusts the rest of humanity is. I think Maya or Aztec went through that. Hell, this was happening back when cyanobacteria was repeatedly wiping out life on earth before something figured out how to use oxygen. It is a general property of life -- consume and reproduce. We might eventually grow out of it (I see a lot of promise in regenerative agriculture for example), but chances are not certain.
healsjnr1 7y ago
This is a long way from my expertise but I think that what you are referring to ('Chinese') is actually a large group of varying cultural and ethnic people that has seen a huge amount of change over millennia. I think this is significantly different to what the parent was referring to.
phyzome 7y ago
Traditional Knowledge is a real thing, separate from the "noble savage" stereotype.

krapp 7y ago

>Chinese are "native people from a population that has un-uninterrupted culture". Didn't they interrupt their culture with extreme prejudice like fifty-odd years ago?

gerbilly 7y ago

Don't sling epithets. My using the word 'native' was a proxy for a type of culture: a close to the land hunter gatherer lifestyle. You know one that would necessarily make them keen observers of their natural environment. I could have said aboriginal, but maybe you'll take offence to that too?

UnFleshedOne 7y ago
Ah, sorry, I didn't mean you are racist. Just the idea of noble savage. I should have been more careful with the wording. Re: hunter-gatherer lifestyle, my understanding that people leading that are merely unlucky (or lucky) ones who didn't domesticate enough plants and animals to settle down and go through a population explosion. They certainly have a lot of knowledge about local ecosystems because they depend on that knowledge for survival. But, a few successful domestications, some introduced species, few hundred years of nice weather and they will multiply and turn into the same kind of locusts the rest of humanity is. I think Maya or Aztec went through that. Hell, this was happening back when cyanobacteria was repeatedly wiping out life on earth before something figured out how to use oxygen. It is a general property of life -- consume and reproduce. We might eventually grow out of it (I see a lot of promise in regenerative agriculture for example), but chances are not certain.

healsjnr1 7y ago

This is a long way from my expertise but I think that what you are referring to ('Chinese') is actually a large group of varying cultural and ethnic people that has seen a huge amount of change over millennia. I think this is significantly different to what the parent was referring to.

phyzome 7y ago

Traditional Knowledge is a real thing, separate from the "noble savage" stereotype.