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"Assange's extradition hearing is scheduled for February 2020, and if Lamo had still been alive, the prosecution would likely not have needed to compel Manning'

by cwkoss 7y ago

"Assange's extradition hearing is scheduled for February 2020, and if Lamo had still been alive, the prosecution would likely not have needed to compel Manning's testimony;" <tin foil hat> It seems Lamo being deceased in a necessary pretext for detaining Manning, and so perhaps the IC community knocked him off to keep her imprisoned.

ajhurliman 7y ago
They could have come up with a million reasons to detain Manning; killing a witness that could've brought Assange to American soil doesn't seem like a likely move.
- cwkoss 7y ago
  Gives them an opportunity to rewrite any testimony previously given by Lamo as well.
labster 7y ago
And here I thought Lamo was killed to keep quiet what Jeffrey Epstein did to Hillary’s Benghazi emails. Shows you what I know.
- SEJeff 7y ago
  The Derp State strikes again!
gamblor956 7y ago
Lamo being alive likely would not have affected the attempt to compel Manning's testimony. Also weird that you go from "likely" straight to "necessary".
VonGuard 7y ago
Lamo was a twitchy little fuck with lots of enemies. He was a miserable person, always unhappy, plagued with mental illness, and a past spotted with fucked up relationships. The only people I have ever heard speak kindly of him are the press. I'd known the guy since 1999, and even back then, in the hacker circles, he was making enemies and pissing people off just by being a bad person in general... Seems like a text book suicide candidate, or at least, a self-abuse through substances type. I mean, his parents threw him out in his teens... Last time I posted this here I got downvoted to hell and back. Feel free to do the same.
- quotz 7y ago
  I watched an interview with him and what you say definitely feels true to me. I mean that guy snitched on the good guys, and Chelsea Manning was a really good friend of his. Who the fuck does that? You can really see that he was plaqued by mental issues....
  - 1024core 7y ago
    The article mentions, in the passing, that Llamo probably thought it was a trap by the Feds, who he thought were constantly surveilling him.
  - shadowgovt 7y ago
    Especially at the time, it was really unclear whether Manning was "The good guys." It's honestly still a controversial opinion. Lots of people died from an Arab Spring that was kicked off by Libyans learning the State Dept's opinion of their government. The resulting revolutions wave left a trail of bodies but didn't make much change. The State Department keeps its opinions secret for a reason.
    - cwkoss 7y ago
      > Lots of people died from an Arab Spring that was kicked off by Libyans learning the State Dept's opinion of their government. This is a truly bizarre claim. You really think the popular uprising in Libya was caused because a different country criticized their government? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libyan_Civil_War_(2011)#Background https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libyan_Civil_War_(2011)#Backgr...
      - dilyevsky 7y ago
        Weird claim indeed. Arab spring was triggered by Mohamed Bouazizi setting himself on fire in Tunisia. It’s interesting this is often forgotten now
    - deleted 7y ago
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empath75 7y ago
That’s absurd. Chelsea Manning is in prison of her own volition and can walk out any time she wants to by testifying.
- megous 7y ago
  That's quite nonsensical, what you say. If she was there of her own volition, there would be no need for guards, and doors, and locks, and for people who took her away to have taken her away. She would just walked into the prison when she wanted on her own terms. (unlikely)
  - shadowgovt 7y ago
    I believe empath means that unlike other prisoners, there's a clear and specific action she can take to leave prison any time she chooses to.
    - jacquesm 7y ago
      That doesn't make it voluntary now, does it? It's only voluntary if the doors are unlocked, the guards are gone and you still chose to be there. The whole reason she's there is because they want something from her, it is a legal form of blackmail.
    - megous 7y ago
      Yes, I know. But she doesn't want to be both in prison or testify. Someone making something you don't want conditional on something else you don't want either, does not make the situation voluntary.

by cwkoss 7y ago

ajhurliman 7y ago

They could have come up with a million reasons to detain Manning; killing a witness that could've brought Assange to American soil doesn't seem like a likely move.

cwkoss 7y ago
Gives them an opportunity to rewrite any testimony previously given by Lamo as well.

labster 7y ago

And here I thought Lamo was killed to keep quiet what Jeffrey Epstein did to Hillary’s Benghazi emails. Shows you what I know.

SEJeff 7y ago
The Derp State strikes again!

gamblor956 7y ago

Lamo being alive likely would not have affected the attempt to compel Manning's testimony. Also weird that you go from "likely" straight to "necessary".

VonGuard 7y ago

Lamo was a twitchy little fuck with lots of enemies. He was a miserable person, always unhappy, plagued with mental illness, and a past spotted with fucked up relationships. The only people I have ever heard speak kindly of him are the press. I'd known the guy since 1999, and even back then, in the hacker circles, he was making enemies and pissing people off just by being a bad person in general... Seems like a text book suicide candidate, or at least, a self-abuse through substances type. I mean, his parents threw him out in his teens... Last time I posted this here I got downvoted to hell and back. Feel free to do the same.

quotz 7y ago
I watched an interview with him and what you say definitely feels true to me. I mean that guy snitched on the good guys, and Chelsea Manning was a really good friend of his. Who the fuck does that? You can really see that he was plaqued by mental issues....
- 1024core 7y ago
  The article mentions, in the passing, that Llamo probably thought it was a trap by the Feds, who he thought were constantly surveilling him.
- shadowgovt 7y ago
  Especially at the time, it was really unclear whether Manning was "The good guys." It's honestly still a controversial opinion. Lots of people died from an Arab Spring that was kicked off by Libyans learning the State Dept's opinion of their government. The resulting revolutions wave left a trail of bodies but didn't make much change. The State Department keeps its opinions secret for a reason.
  - cwkoss 7y ago
    > Lots of people died from an Arab Spring that was kicked off by Libyans learning the State Dept's opinion of their government. This is a truly bizarre claim. You really think the popular uprising in Libya was caused because a different country criticized their government? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libyan_Civil_War_(2011)#Background https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libyan_Civil_War_(2011)#Backgr...
    - dilyevsky 7y ago
      Weird claim indeed. Arab spring was triggered by Mohamed Bouazizi setting himself on fire in Tunisia. It’s interesting this is often forgotten now
  - deleted 7y ago
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empath75 7y ago

That’s absurd. Chelsea Manning is in prison of her own volition and can walk out any time she wants to by testifying.

megous 7y ago
That's quite nonsensical, what you say. If she was there of her own volition, there would be no need for guards, and doors, and locks, and for people who took her away to have taken her away. She would just walked into the prison when she wanted on her own terms. (unlikely)
- shadowgovt 7y ago
  I believe empath means that unlike other prisoners, there's a clear and specific action she can take to leave prison any time she chooses to.
  - jacquesm 7y ago
    That doesn't make it voluntary now, does it? It's only voluntary if the doors are unlocked, the guards are gone and you still chose to be there. The whole reason she's there is because they want something from her, it is a legal form of blackmail.
  - megous 7y ago
    Yes, I know. But she doesn't want to be both in prison or testify. Someone making something you don't want conditional on something else you don't want either, does not make the situation voluntary.