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The reason there are so many wonderful services available for free is because they make money selling your data. If the service is free, the product is you. Fo

The reason there are so many wonderful services available for free is because they make money selling your data. If the service is free, the product is you. For many, many people, that is _fine_. The real issue I see here is how this law is written and how we're interpreting it. If the law makes it so that people who want to opt out of free internet services because of privacy concerns are free to do so, then we're all good. If the law is written such that people who want to avail themselves of free services in exchange for their data are no longer able to do so because that business model is broken, then I see a lot of problems.

1000units 7y ago
The problem is these services are scams. If people understood what they were doing they wouldn't trade their data for $5/month. If your business can't survive by charging a fair price for the service it provides without stealing data, then it shouldn't exist.
mfer 7y ago
> For many, many people, that is _fine_. I would argue this isn't the case. For many people it is out of sight and out of mind. They don't realize what's happening. I came to this conclusion after talking with people about it. Numerous people didn't believe it. I had to show people documents and articles for them to believe me. Most of the people I've spoken with do not like this behavior and would rather not use a service or pay for it if they had known. The average person is unaware. That does not make it ok.
- 1000units 7y ago
  I like that the webshit data robbers downvote me for saying what they're doing is evil, yet if I showed any particular one what kind of information I have access to about them, just as a random private citizen interested in these things, they'd freak out and call me a creep. It's a shame what money does to people.
  - cameronbrown 7y ago
    > yet if I showed any particular one what kind of information I have access to about them This is where the line is drawn for most - if people from Facebook, Amazon or Google look at information other than machines. Totally fine if it's just a computer with a strong law like GDPR safeguarding it.
    - 1000units 7y ago
      People are looking.
      - emiliobumachar 7y ago
        Not that I'm doubting you, but could you please provide sources?
        1000units 7y ago
        I will not. This is both common knowledge and common sense. You can easily find articles about sufficiently low-level drones getting fired from Facebook for snooping if this is an authentic query. If you have trusted friends in tech, you can ask them even better.
      - cameronbrown 7y ago
        Maybe. I'm just saying this is where expectations lie - including my own. Maybe I'm naive, I don't know. From my conversations with Googlers at least, it does seem they're extremely careful about insider threats.
- matz1 7y ago
  Is what people say is what people actually going to do ?
- briandear 7y ago
  > The average person is unaware. That does not make it ok. Any actual data other than anecdotes?

1000units 7y ago

The problem is these services are scams. If people understood what they were doing they wouldn't trade their data for $5/month. If your business can't survive by charging a fair price for the service it provides without stealing data, then it shouldn't exist.

mfer 7y ago

> For many, many people, that is _fine_. I would argue this isn't the case. For many people it is out of sight and out of mind. They don't realize what's happening. I came to this conclusion after talking with people about it. Numerous people didn't believe it. I had to show people documents and articles for them to believe me. Most of the people I've spoken with do not like this behavior and would rather not use a service or pay for it if they had known. The average person is unaware. That does not make it ok.

1000units 7y ago
I like that the webshit data robbers downvote me for saying what they're doing is evil, yet if I showed any particular one what kind of information I have access to about them, just as a random private citizen interested in these things, they'd freak out and call me a creep. It's a shame what money does to people.
- cameronbrown 7y ago
  > yet if I showed any particular one what kind of information I have access to about them This is where the line is drawn for most - if people from Facebook, Amazon or Google look at information other than machines. Totally fine if it's just a computer with a strong law like GDPR safeguarding it.
  - 1000units 7y ago
    People are looking.
    - emiliobumachar 7y ago
      Not that I'm doubting you, but could you please provide sources?
      - 1000units 7y ago
        I will not. This is both common knowledge and common sense. You can easily find articles about sufficiently low-level drones getting fired from Facebook for snooping if this is an authentic query. If you have trusted friends in tech, you can ask them even better.
    - cameronbrown 7y ago
      Maybe. I'm just saying this is where expectations lie - including my own. Maybe I'm naive, I don't know. From my conversations with Googlers at least, it does seem they're extremely careful about insider threats.
matz1 7y ago
Is what people say is what people actually going to do ?
briandear 7y ago
> The average person is unaware. That does not make it ok. Any actual data other than anecdotes?